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[–] [email protected] 143 points 4 months ago (3 children)

'hacked'. Eh. There was an API endpoint left open that allowed them to basically just spam it with no rate limiting. They used the lack of a rate limit to just pull the data out of the API that it was made to produce.

[–] [email protected] 168 points 4 months ago (24 children)

Yeah. They got data in a way that was not intended. That's a hack. It's not always about subverting something by clickity-clacking like in the movies.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (9 children)

Exploit. The system worked as intended, just without a rate limit. A hack would be relying on a vulnerability in the software to make it not function as programmed.

It's the difference between finding a angle in a game world that causes your character to climb steeper than it should, vs rewriting memory locations to no-clip through everything. One causes the system to act in a way that it otherwise wouldn't (SQL injections, etc) -- the other, is using the system exactly as it was programmed.

Downloading videos from YouTube isn't "Hacking" YouTube. Even though it's using the API in a way it wasn't intended. Right-clicking a webpage and viewing the source code isn't hacking - even if the website you're looking at doesn't want you looking at the source.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Exploiting is hacking, quit being pedantic.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

That's what most exploit-based hacks are. A developer makes a dumb mistake and then someone exploits it to do something they shouldn't be able to do.

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[–] [email protected] 104 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Companies need to stop using Authy. It's stupid and pointless when we have a open alternative such as the one used by Google Authenticator or Aegis.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 4 months ago (6 children)

I started using Authy instead of GA because every time I changed the ROM on my phone I would lose all codes, because I would forget every time.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Use aegis, export the keys and then reimport them every time you switch. Trusting your second factor to a cloud is a disaster waiting to happen.

If you want to get fancy setup your own cloud server (nextcloud, Seafile, owncloud etc) and set the backup folder for aegis to the self hosted cloud for easy restore every time you switch ROMs.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

GA now backups your codes in your Google account, so this doesn't happen anymore.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago

Call my job and tell them this please. I have to use this shite everyday and it sucks.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago

I expect most usage of authy was based on the open TOTP protocol that Google etc use. The additional benefit was backing up those codes to the authy account, hence the avenue of attack on those accounts.

I agree though, Authy, especially since it was bought out, should be avoided. They deprecated their desktop app which was the only semi useful part of their suite, but I stopped using it years ago.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Wow, it's literally the shazam logo, flipped horizontally and red.

Wonder who got paid to make that logo?

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 4 months ago (16 children)

I realized long time ago that I don't want my 2FA be tied to my phone number. And then i found you can't export your data from Authy because they know they are scummy fucks and don't want to anyone to leave

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (15 children)

Now that authy has fucked us over with this, what should I move my 2fa codes into, any recommendations?

Unfortunately I can't use aegis on iOS/windows, does keepass have this functionality?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Bitwarden would be my vote

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

I’ve been running a self-hosted Vaultwarden server with Bitwarden clients. It’s been perfect. The clients could use some usability work, but other than that, no complaints.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Just out of curiosity: is it wise to keep you MFA within your password safe? Like is that not the opposite of multi factor? I'm no troll, I'm seriously uninformed.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Realistically the threat we care about is others leak your password. So it doesn’t matter.

If you have a setup where your password vault is at risk then yes it’s a bad idea.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

These are not local solutions, but are cross-platform and open source: Bitwarden or Proton Pass.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Doesn't synced solutions completely defeat the purpose of MFA?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Not if you protect the master key with MFA, like a yubikey. Then it's cryptographically secure for quite a while..at least until quantum computing is affordable enough to be used against your data. Or the database and your yubikey and yourbpassphrase are compromised

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I like 1Password's built in MFA support, if it's a really sensitive account I use Google Authenticator because I haven't bothered researching better local alternative

Edit: Going to try Aegis for the more sensitive logins, looks like what I'm looking for

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Most KeePass clones have it now, i use Keepass2Android plus KeePassX on PC

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

Most decent password managers (e.g. 1Password, Proton Pass) have MFA built-in. Use those.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago

lol. I am glad I became privacy conscious before this happened.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Deleted my Authy account, Thankfully I only had indeed and humble bundle attached.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (13 children)

Does anyone have a suggested alternative for authy? (Please read the whole post before responding)

I'd love to go with an open source solution as I've done with my password manager, but that doesn't seem possible with one of my big requirements:

Scenario: I've had my phone robbed abroad and managed to buy a new one and loaded my ESIM back into it—I need to recover access to my 2 factor database via SMS so I'm able to log into my cloud storage and access my password database.

At this point I'd probably be happy to host a service myself on something like AWS and use SNS for this requirement, but I'm not sure anything like that exists ready to go. I'm not particularly interested in rolling something myself for this.

I'd be dubious of jumping from one closed source product to another, but if there's a particularly good option I'm all ears, I've been otherwise happy with authy for about a decade now, but this plus the retirement of the desktop app have me looking elsewhere.

Edit: added emphasis

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 months ago (5 children)

I use Aegis, which I periodically back up manually off phone.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (10 children)

Aegis is often recommended as an open source solution : https://github.com/beemdevelopment/Aegis

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (9 children)

Bitwarden has 2FA built in, and you can host it yourself if you want.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

If you're talking about being able to regain access with no local backups (even just a USB key sewn into your clothing) your going to need to think carefully about the implications if someone else gets hold of your phone, or hijacks your number. Anything you can do to recover from the scenario is a way an attacker can gain access. Attempting to secure this via SMS is going to ne woefully insecure.

That being said, there are a couple of approaches you could consider. One option is to put an encrypted backup on an sftp server or similar and remember the login and passwords, another would be to have a trusted party, say a family member or very close friend, hold the emergency codes for access to your authentication account or backup site.

Storing a backup somewhere is a reasonable approach if you are careful about how you secure it and consider if it meets your threat model. The backup doesn't need to contain all your credentials, just enough to regain access to your actual password vault, so it doesn't need to be updated often, unless that access changes. I would suggest either an export from your authentication app, a copy of the emergency codes, or a text file with the relevant details. Encrypt this with gpg symmetric encryption so you don't have to worry about a key file, and use a long, complex, but reconstructable passphrase. By this I mean a passphrase you remember how to derive, rather than trying to remember a high entropy string directly, so something like the second letter of each word of a phrase that means something to you, a series of digits that are relevant to you, maybe the digits from your first friend's address or something similarly pseudo random, then another phrase. The result is long enough to have enough entropy to be secure, and you'll remember how to generate it more readily than remembering the phrase itself. It needs to be strong as once an adversary has a copy of the file they jave as long as they want to decrypt it. Once encrypted, upload it to a reliable storage location that you can access with just a username and password. Now you need to memorize the storage location, username, password and decryption passphrase generator, but you can recover even to a new phone.

The second option is to generate the emergency, or backup, codes to your authentication account, or the storage you sync it to, and have someone you trust keep them, only to be revealed if you contact them and they're sure it's you. To be more secure, split each code into two halves and have each held by a different person.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Why does it require a phone number to use?!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (4 children)

They wanted to let companies pay for a non standard 2fa code generation tied to the phone number as it was easier than the mainstream option that was the almost abandoned google authenticator that didn't allow backups.

Cloudflare, humble bundle used that scheme and I hated them for that. Seems that now that plan failed and essentially now authy is a money-losing operation for twilio and this shows on the unsecured API access that allowed the hack

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I left Authy a couple of years ago when I realized that I can own my own data. I use KeepassXC. For sync, just syncthing. Both free and I 100 % control of it.

Any online password manager is in my opinion is stupid as it will sooner or later get hacked - info leak. Some may not even apply zero-knowledge about the passwords.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

Friendly reminder to change your master password. You’re one SIM jack away from having your life locked away for ransom. They didn’t breach the seeds, but next time who knows. I would start migrating and changing 2FA codes just in case. You never know who might be spraying.

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