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[โ€“] [email protected] 36 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is awesome, I hope more places do this, or at least put much greater restrictions on it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Greatly reducing tourism would also go a long way in meeting climate goals, too.

[โ€“] [email protected] 33 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It is high time governments to start taxing people progressively based on how many properties they own. I have a friend who bought 5-6 properties. That's absolutely disgusting.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

Yup, in countries with severe housing shortages preventing post secondary students from being able to move forward with their education as they got evicted before they could graduate is unbelievably cruel.

[โ€“] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago

Good. I own and use an apartment where the majority of the building is short term holiday rentals, and these people flout security, noise ordinance, facilities and are a general nuisance through and through.

[โ€“] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The Youtube comments sections of documentaries of rent poverty in Spain usually get filled with landlords complaining about how the government is taxing them to death, and how relieving them of such taxes would be the solution. Somehow they consistently get plenty of upvotes.

Bitch, if you were being taxed to death you would rush to try and sell those homes, and THAT'S what I want to see happen.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Selling property? Don't be ridiculous!

That might force them to change their way of life, and start contributing to society for a living.

[โ€“] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

Although I would like to visit Barcelona someday, I support this wholeheartedly.

[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago
[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Another means I've heard of is limiting apartment/home rentals to a 1 month minimum

Maintains a minimal open door for people who actually wanna get emersed while also redirecting all but the most lucrative properties back into local residential living.

[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

Nah just blanket ban that shit. Residential housing as investment objects need to die asap. If the locals want to become part of the hospitality industry they can open a hotel.

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

It's much harder to enforce that than just saying NO though

[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Too bad here in America, Land of the Free to pay up or go fuck yourself, this never happen outside of the occasional local town ordinance. The government gets paid taxes either way so they don't care.

Unrelated, why does that city look like it was built in SimCity using mods?

[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The district you're referring to is called Eixample (literally "extension"), which is a planned district that was built as a large scale construction project in the 19th and 20th century to expand the city and make room for more/more modern apartments.

Link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eixample

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Which is kind of ironic seen the current problems.

But it's indeed incredibly beautiful.

Lisboa has a similar but smaller and older district, built there to rebuild after an earthquake.

[โ€“] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Fast forward to 2028: "why tourists do not come here anymore ? We are loosing money here."

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Barcelona still has plenty of regular commercial Hotels that are purpose built to house many tourists.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

True but they basically cut how many people could stay in Barcellona, not how many people could go to Barcellona.
So what will happen, in my opinion, is that people will continue to go to Barcellona, staying in the surroundings to sleep.

So both of the problems they want to solve will be not solved: they will continue to have over-tourism and the houses will not go on the market so the prices will not lower.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

and the houses will not go on the market

I understand the other arguments but I'm confused about this one.
If houses that were used to house tourists are no longer allowed to do so, why would they not become available for either rent or sale?
What else is there for the owners to do with them?

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Confused too

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

If houses that were used to house tourists are no longer allowed to do so, why would they not become available for either rent or sale?

For rent because, depending on the laws, it can be really hard to get it back in case there is a tenant that do not pay or refuse to leave. In many italian cities there were many houses (they talk about 1/3 of the houses in Milano) that were empty because it was too dangerous to rent them (damages, missing payments, evictions which take years, people that refuse to leave even after the end of the contract). The same reasons make way harder to sell a rented house. So all (or most) of these house went to the short rent market (AirBnB and the likes).

For sale because the owner could keep it in case he need some extra money down the road or his son would need it some years from now or any other reason.

What else is there for the owners to do with them?

Nothing, which is better than to have to (eventually) fight to get the house back from a bad tenants, with all the time and money involved.

I see the point of what Barcellona (and other cities) want to do but the raise of short rents are a consequence, not the cause. True, renting on AirBnB make me more money than a normal rent contract but what people do not understand it that this system would have worked even if it would make me less money than a normal rent because 1) I would be sure to be paid, 2) I would be sure that the tenants would leave at the end of the rent, 3) where would be some sort of (partial) compensation in case of damages and 4) if I ever decide that I now need the house I just need to stop listing on the site and I have the house back.