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Is it a good idea to use KDE plasma on linux mint? (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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looking around online it seems possible but apparently not a good experience? i think the posts were a bit old so maybe something has changed since then

Edit: i don't want to hop distro, i just want to change the desktop manager.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

No, they base on Ubuntu LTS and that has an outdated and broken version of Plasma, just like Kubuntu has.

I only recommend to use Plasma on Fedora Kinoite as I dont know other OSses. But I assume Arch and Opensuse Tumbleweed are also okay.

KDE doesnt do stable releases, they release when it is ready. And distro maintainers would need to backport all the fixes in Plasma 6 to Plasma 5 and to my knowledge nobody does that.

Qt5 is also not supported anymore, so you are running a desktop that had backported fixes to Qt from the KDE team even before Plasma 6 came out.

Plasma 6 is way more robust than Plasma 5. It just works way better. I use it daily, and can really really recommend Fedora Kinoite.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Can confirm Arch (at least EndeavourOS), KDE Plasma has been working here since Jan 2023 ( when I installed the OS). It worked for me on Manjaro from 2021-2023 (another Arch based distro).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Base Arch works great with KDE. It’s the only DE I install these days.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Garuda user here. Works like a charm.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I like this version of fedora atomic with KDE

https://getaurora.dev/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Yeah but it is really opinionated, give it a try and it is likely good.

But tbh uBlue may work better out of the box, but they are changing fast. They introduced nix which was broken and then removed and I still have these strange users left.

They had nokmods images which were kinda vanilla, but just discontinued these images and made the main images the replacement (even though these use kmods).

They nuked their image list site so apart from the flagship variants, all the others are hidden. Even though they are based off Fedora so at least the KDE and GNOME ones are just as good to use.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

The only thing "bad" about it would be that you'll need to start with a default KDE configuration (which is still very clean and pretty), but since KDE is very customizable, it should not be that much of an issue.

I love KDE (which has technically rebranded to "Plasma"), and it's a great experience. If you're worried, go find a distro like Bazzite or Garuda and install whichever version has Plasma in a Virtual Machine to see what it's like. That way, you can decide what you think about it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

which has technically rebranded to "Plasma"

15 years ago.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And people still call it KDE or KDE Plasma to this day. Rebranding is hard.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

And Plasma is a stupid name XD

Just call it "KDE apps" and keep the name of the DE as KDE. It just makes sense.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Or if OP wants to stay in the Debian/Ubuntu based brach KDE Neon, Debian + KDE (+ LMDE repo), or Kubuntu 22.04 + Mint repos.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

i'd rather not hop distros entirely, the way in understand it desktop interfaces like cinnamon and plasma run on top of the actual OS, so it's possible to swap them without having to reinstall. i could very well be wrong tho

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, that works. Just install some KDE plasma desktop metapackage of your choice and, if you like, you can remove cinnamon and related GTK packages afterwards by removing libgtk.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

neat! gonna try in in a vm first

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Always a good idea

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

I used Kubuntu and KDE Neon in the past. Cannot recommend them really.

KDE Neon maybe as they ship the modernized desktop, but people had tons of issues on the Plasma 6 upgrade, while on Fedora Kinoite literally nothing happened.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I love KDE (which has technically rebranded to “Plasma”

[deleted] (Edit: I've deleted this part of my reply, because it's not really correct after thinking through this myself. But my point stands in Plasma not being a rebrand of KDE. Plasma is the desktop, KDE contains the Plasma desktop plus applications plus the underlying technology of it.)

To make that more clear, you can use KDE software without Plasma desktop in example. ... Yeah thinking of that, Plasma is probably just the desktop and all its functionality. KDE is way more than just the desktop.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

True, I forgot about that, since the original context is specifically DE's.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

To make that more clear, you can use KDE software without Plasma desktop in example.

Like for example KDE for Windows, where the system is not even Linux.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

I second bazzite and add Aurora or just plain Fedora Kinoite.

Vanilla Plasma configs are fine, you may want to remove some things like the floaty floaty stuff and maybe remove the start screen (as it doesnt work and just delays system start).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I did it soon after switching to Linux Mint from Windows because I didn't like how Cinnamon was handling multiple displays. It worked and was perfectly functional. But it was a little rough around the edges with the occasional glitch here and there. Not sure if it was because Mint wasn't really meant to run Plasma or if it was just because it was running an older version of Plasma. But it was perfectly usable and I would have been happy to stick with it if there were no other solutions.

Before I got too comfy in my Mint install and after having familiarized myself with Linux better, I hopped between a few distros for a bit. LMDE6 with Plasma ran better but ultimately I switched to OpenSUSE Tumbleweed and stuck with it since then. It is rock solid and runs Plasma 6. I should probably have given EndeavourOS a try as well but I'm now too settled and comfy to change.

Mind you, I am still a complete Linux noob and still have barely any idea of what I am doing so take it with a grain of salt.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I never installed Linux myself, only used it for a bit, so what do you have to do to not be a complete noob? This is only a half serious question, but what do you think you have to do, to be a proficient Linux user? This sounds a bit like when I got my master's degree and did not have the feeling that I know anything or have learned valuable skills, but to someone with only a high school diploma I would look rather proficient.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

IMO It's mostly about the mindset.
If you realize that you can basically do anything on any general purpose distro because they're all just distributions of the available Linux-compatible software, you're not a noob anymore.
The effort to achieve what you want can be higher on some and zero on others (if that thing already happens to be pre-installed and configured to your liking).
But if you've decided on a distro you like, you always have ways of accessing the software that's missing out of the box.

I'd say, you're not a noob anymore if you know basic command line best practices (like not copy/pasting commands with "sudo" in front off the internet unless you know what they do), can parse a man page, and know how to find and install software that's missing in your distro's repos.
That being said, it's perfectly possible to run Linux without using the command line at all, nowadays.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Why should the experience be essentially different from Kubuntu 22.04, as it uses essentially the exactly same repos?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Doesn’t Mint use native packages where Ubuntu is snap-happy?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

AfaIk, Ubuntu uses some snap packages, e.g. Firefox, not the whole DE.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Mint uses flatpaks instead of snaps.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I mean the deb-repositories which are of concern for apt. Mint is basically Ubuntu plus an additional repository and thus binary compatible.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Not sure why it wouldn't be good. Is it related to mint specifically? I'm using plasma constantly on my machine, including work all day. It's a very nice system. But I'm not on mint, that's why I'm asking.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 5 months ago

IMO it is a combination of two bad ideas.