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    Not exactly as funny meme as I would like it to be, but I just found out about that feature after having to hold the power button due to a frozen system countless times, and I had to tell someone.

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    [–] [email protected] 38 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Related and IMO a much better option for Linux desktops:

    Early OOM

    [–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    This is great! Why doesnt distros use this by default???

    Just put plasmashell and a few in there and you will have a working oom killer. Finally.

    I will install this the first thing tomorrow

    Wait... Fedora has this since quite a while, strange.

    [–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    Because if i'm rendering on blender on my lower end PC with expected freezes but it auto kills the render?

    [–] [email protected] -5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Sounds like niche use cases

    [–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Not niche there can be times when you want to run something heavy and it auto kills the exact thing you are trying to run. You have a 1gb ram device and it kills everything? Thats undesirable

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    Hm.... the process itself should not take that much RAM. I dont know if normally the OS should assign the max RAM to the program.

    But this should not happen and I wonder how "just letting it freeze" works

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    It makes system unresponsive, true. But its still running the main things, the render or decompressing or whatever. So it eventually unfreezes when it completes, by giving other programs(including GUI) back the CPU and ram.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    Ok so killing is worse than just keeping alive.

    This is a fair point.

    I dont know a good solution for this, not killing but freezing is likely the best.

    I dont know

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

    Preferences matter too. Some like their progrms to be killed. Some may want it to run anyway however possible

    [–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    Your usual pal won't be running Blender, they're going to be stumbling their way through LibreOffice and a browser. Massive echo chamber right there.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

    We do not break userspace in this household young man.

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Why doesnt distros use this by default???

    Nohang has some explanations to this.

    I.e. kernel devs are ignorant to the issue of oomkiller not working as intended on desktop.

    Edit: Lkml is down.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Just decrease your swap space.

    Unless you have an unusual system, there's no reason to have several GB of swap.

    [–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    that won't solve the system unresponsiveness

    [–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    Have you tried?

    Because it does.

    [–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    yes, even turning swap off entirely doesn't solve it. It doesn't take much to find people reporting a similar experience.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Better enable swap again. Linux expects swap.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

    or fiddle with the vm/swappiness value

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    Is hibernate no longer a thing? I thought that needed swap.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

    Actually, not much.

    It always had reliability issues with bad hardware, and computers boot incredibly quickly nowadays. But yeah, it requires swap, and if you want it, there's a sibling answer here about sawppiness.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)
    [–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

    Wasn't oomd the facebook thing for complicated server setups?

    edit: yeah, for large data centers. Imho overengineered for single user desktop sessions. Earlyoom is simple and tiny.

    [–] [email protected] 27 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    ok... I'll ask.. where the heck is the "sysreq" key on my standard keyboard?

    [–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Should be the screenshot key

    [–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

    so it is! and I tested it, of course, with alt-sys-b which instantly rebooted my machine. nice.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)
    [–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

    Yeah, on my keyboard it's just an icon so I forgot the actual name lol

    [–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    How come sysreq + f is not on by default? After discovering and enabling it I haven’t had to hard restart due to hangs or crashes.

    [–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    Debian has it by default I think. Arch has it disabled because it might be a security risk if someone had physical access to your computer.

    [–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

    those debian daredevils like the thrill of living on the edge

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

    Raising Skinny Elephants Is Utterly Boring ... Or so I've heard.

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

    That restarts the system. This only attempts to kill the app that uses most memory.