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[–] [email protected] 140 points 5 months ago (21 children)

This was definitely a trigger for me.

A few years ago, I had some great email exchanges about a position. I was an experienced dev, and I knew what they were looking for. But to make it official, I had to go through their HR person.

This was the first time I was going to talk to someone from the company, live in a video call.

And the moment we jumped on a call, her first words were, "Do you have a green card?"

I was born here. One look at my skin color and that was her question.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 5 months ago

So, you don't? /s

[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 months ago (1 children)

CAN YOU UNDERSTAND ME? YOU ENGLISH? gestures wildly

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

I have friend who told me that his father speaks broken english to non-native speakers. If they hire landscapers, for example, he'll start mimicking a hispanic accent and dropping words and deliberately changing grammar. His entire family is terribly embarrassed by this behavior, even if he means well. What a tool.

As we've been told since at least the early nineties: if a non-native english speaker can't understand you, just repeat yourself and ASK LOUDER. /s

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

But why aren't potatos friends?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

I used to work in HR. In my first week, the HR Manager walked around with me on the floor of our factory. We had a lot of Vietnamese employees. She wanted me to start learning people's names, but the first time we encountered a Viet person she whispered to me "hey, between you and me, I can't really tell them apart since they all look similar and have similar names, so if you can't remember them then it's no biggie". Like what??? Ma'am you are the HR manager.

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[–] [email protected] 132 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Very clearly the ad was run including requirements that were supposed to be known only to the recruiter.

Remember this next time someone tells you there is no justification for affirmative action programs.

Only a sloppy (or maliciously compliant) person responsible for committing the ad copy exposed this for what it was. Had they done their job as intended, there would have been no evidence of these racist hiring practices.

And now all the non-bigots know that they don't want to work for (checks notes) Arthur Grand Technologies Inc. based in Loudoun County, Virginia.

I certainly hope that when searching for this company, top google search results will show that Arthur Grand Technologies Inc. based in Loudoun County, Virginia was fined by the justice department for seeking to hire whites only, at the exclusion of non-whites and those born outside the US.

https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2024/05/after-whites-only-job-posting-va-tech-company-hit-with-fine-from-the-justice-department/

Minor edit to fix word choice...

[–] [email protected] 56 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Arthur Grand Wizard Technologies Inc.

I mean, it's right there in the name...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

GRAND WIZARD WHITE

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago

It’s also probably worth the Department of Labor’s time to investigate their previous hiring practices. When every single employee ends up being white, the DOL will likely be able to come down on them with even bigger fines. Because proving discrimination often requires a pattern, but an all-white payroll would be a nice shiny pattern for the DOL to grab onto and parade around in court.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

This also may have been a targeting instruction accidentally posted in the ad.

After all, with contemporary targeting knowing everything about everyone it should be easy to only show that to, e.g. straight white cis male US citizens of 34.4 years old with 2.2 male children

[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago

Thank you! I really, really hate this trend of posting a screenshot of a headline or part of an article. Why not post a link to the actual article?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

It’s strange that there’s no comment from the company.

Yeah, that's not so strange.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

The job posting by Ashburn-based Arthur Grand Technologies Inc. was published in March 2023 and said that the company was only looking for “U.S. Born Citizens [white] who are local within 60 miles from Dallas, TX [Don’t share with candidates],” according to a Justice Department news release.

I'm telling you, these job replies from HR have gotten pretty cryptic, but I send out what they tell me to send. It's not my job to understand, just to send the emails.

"Dear [Candidate],

We regret to inform you that [Company Name] is no longer hiring for the position of [job title]. Thank you for your interest in [Company Name].

Sincerely, [Your Name]"

[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

But not real jail because, you know...

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

We do indeed.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The responsible person should go to jail instead of just paying a small fine.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

According to the article, the company is under departmental monitoring as well as the fine. They can't make this kind of move again in the short term.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Ironically, the job ad was posted by someone in India.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It looks like the line that was included in the job posting was not meant to be published, but was an instruction for the recruiter:

“U.S. Born Citizens [white] who are local within 60 miles from Dallas, TX [Don’t share with candidates],”

If the company hadn't been too cheap to hire local, US born, white, racist citizens to handle the job posting, they might have been able to continue being scummy without anyone being able to prove it.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Based if the guy in India deliberately accidentally included that bit.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, but I wouldn't expect some guy in India to be in a position to intentionally fuck over his employer no matter how much they want to.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

I worked at cricket when I was younger and the outsourced customer service was terrible. They would not only hang up on customers but they would hang up on employees and managers too. My only point is that they very well could be in the position to not give any fucks.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Outsourcing is intentionally low-supervision.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

There are multiple “consulting” agencies in the US that have gotten in trouble for not hiring anyone aside from south Asians. If this job was posted by someone in India, there is probably a non-zero chance they were hiring this “white” only person because they were trying to offset the fact that they only hire south Asians otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

Sued immediately you say?