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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

These westerners are social democrats which is not hard to understand, it's wiki entry away.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

It’s infuriating considering that it’s in the first goddamn sentence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

Socialism is an economic and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership.

If those libs could read they’d be very upset.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Words mean what they're used to mean. Even the word "government" is wildly different between Europe and the US. We flip out over headlines like the government of Belgium has collapsed! and it's only as much of a kerfuffle as the House trying to elect a Speaker.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

If ever there was a real world example of Newspeak, it is how—thanks to class war and three red scares—the working class no longer even has a word for socialism. So now welfare capitalists like Bernie Sanders call themselves socialist despite never calling for the abolition of the private ownership of the means of production. It’s an amazing achievement of the capitalist class’ propaganda machine.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I just hate murderous regimes that murder millions of their own people

FTFY

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Average imperial core Cold Warrior understander.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The US is included in my list too with the Native American genocide for what its worth lol. But people tend to forget that Soviet Russia and Communist China killed millions of their own people. They should not be praised or imitated. We should learn from the horrible mistakes of the past.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

By millions murdered, you don’t mean people who died in the last famine in China after centuries of famines, and you don’t mean the last famine in the region that became the USSR after centuries of famines, right? Famines that happened during or soon after the bloody revolutions overthrowing the tsars and emperors, under which the previous famines occurred?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I mean in the boxer revolution and the millions that died in gulags in USSR because of famine and the government selecting people at random to starve to death in labor camps.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The boxer rebellion was 50 years before the Chinese Communist Revolution. The CIA’s own unclassified reports show what people in gulags were fed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Something tells me Karl Marx wouldn't like these things either.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

vaushites pulling shit out of their ass instance 9001

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Is it so much to ask that workers councils be in charge instead of some revolutionary

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

The history of socialist movements shows that it is. Rosa Luxemburg was right over a hundred years ago.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Man im pretty socialist who lives in ex east germany with my parents actually being parz of that time and i gotta tell you, with what i hear from them, it was horrible

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

I'm beginning to respect socialists on the internet less and less. Y'all are such garbage trolls.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

"Those countries reflect poorly on socialism."

"How dare you, they're not really socialist."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There's no contradiction there.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

lemmy.world

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

... And? A lot of socialists are also libertarian in equal measure.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

libertarian "socialists" are a deeply idealist tendency that didnt manage to get anything done ever. the only thing they do is criticize actually existing socialist projects, mostly using state department talking points. the concept of critical support is unknown to them and the only revolutions they like are the ones that fail. they are puppets in the hands of the cia.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's not very enlightened to call entire movements like libertarian socialism (AKA anarchism) just idealist, ineffectual, and to imply they're essentially brainwashed by the US government.

Anti-state movements have a history as long and storied as socialism, and theoretical frameworks for their beliefs far more complex than you give them credit for.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

yeah the state department point was probably a little harsh and generalizing of me, though i am indeed quite pissed how reactionaries like vaush or keffals are appropriating leftist aesthetics in order to shill for us imperialism. i am also standing with my statement about ancoms & co not getting anything done, sorry.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Ancoms have definitely gotten shit done, you just sound salty tbh

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

what exactly?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I kinda suspect ты из Калининграда

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

виновен

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You know, I thought that, with Lemmy being less popular than Reddit, there would be less political propaganda messaging on here

But it seems I'm mistaken

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Lemmy is less popular and therefore more niche, meaning you'll get smaller communities with stronger opinions, and therefore way more political extremism

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

what do you mean? the lack of cia talking points here is really refreshing imho. on reddit everything is drowned in a sea of "communism bad"-bots.