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submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

Important clarification/FAQ: I am not calling to coddle or excuse the behavior of bigoted men in any way!

I am calling to be kind and understanding to young men (often ages 10-20) who are very manipulable and succeptible to the massive anti feminist propaganda machine. Hope this clarifies that very important distinction. :)

click this dropdown for comments that are very helpful and illustrate key points!

it’s not a rhetorically great meme. at the root it’s just important to listen to what women are expressing by saying they’d choose the bear, but best not to try to double down on the hypothetical or take it personally :)

How does the man/bear discussion disenfranchise and antagonize young men?

@Boo

I don’t read this [the bear hypothetical] as the discussion disenfranchising young men, rather just stating that the broader disenfranchisement of the working class has its effect of making many men vulnerable to far right rhetoric of a day where many white cis-het men did not have to try, like at all (at least, that’s the rhetoric). I read this as saying that we need to counter these societal issues on multiple fronts; not pandering to right-wing men, while also not letting the far right rhetoric take hold of younger men. Offering a good alternative which actually helps them (leftism) instead.

@Neato

It’s not on women to soften their complaints of rape and harassment to try to prevent men from becoming incels and Nazis. For Fucks Sake Men can deal with the very mild discomfort of being occasionally reminded women have to always be vigilant.

absolutely agree ❤️which is why i am very thankful for those who put in patience and effort into encouraging young men to see their shortcomings ~ outside the context of women voicing their experiences ~ in order to achieve a more equitable future for all

Edit: This post has now been removed a second time, this time from [email protected] with no reason given. I want to thank the mods of this community for restoring this post here earlier today, and I want to encourage you all:

Be decent to one another

I think this post is a valuable thing given the current state of the Fediverse, please don't fuck it up for us by being toxic in the comments.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

If I were stuck in the forest with a bear and another person, I'd try to gauge if I can run faster than the other person. If not, I'll try to see if I can hit their knee caps with something. But seriously, the problem with that hypothetical situation is there's nothing actionable, you're either for or against, no chance of improvement. On the other hand, you shouldn't take things personally. We all just probably wish there are things we can do to improve.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

Ah yes what a fun meme, so much haha's were had.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

shitty people are just shitty, gender has nothing to do with it. Women and men are both capable of being abusers.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

Ah! Doublethink!

/s

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You are all arguing about bears, but I am over here day dreaming

NSFW

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Uhhhhhhh.....what a horrible day to be literate

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

Nothing like some vintage copy pasta to sear your brain

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Those young men should also choose the bear. If we explained that to them, and why, maybe the next generation wouldn't need to.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (7 children)

I think you're misunderstanding the point of the meme then

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Many do. Why is why we have MGTOW and Andrew Tate

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

How are they choosing the bear? Both of those are actively hostile towards women, they don't just "go their own way" to chill with the bear

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Because...men....make up ~80% of all murder victims, in addition to 90% of the perpetrators? According to the UN's 2019 homicide study?

That's why men fall into frothing inceldom and whatever Andrew Tate is doing? Because they share statistically just as much risk regarding other men as women face from men, just for a predominantly different crime?

Because that's why they need to be choosing the bear, and that just doesn't sound right...

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Honestly I think if you gave them the same choice, they'd pick bear too. Bear or a man who has on average 75% more muscle mass and 90% more strength than you. He is also 93% likely to be gay. Now you might be in the forest with your nice and normal gay neighbor and have a totally lovely time! Or you might get one of those gay priests who just want to rape you repeatedly. Which do you pick? Man or bear?

That's a lot closer to the choice women are making.

Source on average difference of male to female strength https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/02/200205132404.htm

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