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Biden really, really doesn’t want China to flood the US with cheap EVs (www.theverge.com)

submitted 6 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago

Protectionism only works in the VERY short term. If the USA doesn't pull its finger out of its ass and make affordable good EVs, then its automotive industry will crash and burn. Because the rest of the world unaffected by tariffs will be buying Chinese (or Korean / European) EVs and not American ones because they'll be expensive and suck.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (20 children)

I would mind less if the American auto industry was producing affordable lightweight EVs...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Or cars with any level of quality.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Hey man the Toyota I drive was made in the USA, it's great.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Best we can do is a four ton truck.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

they really willing to throw the planet under the bus so they can protect their own oligarchs. so much for the free market.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (11 children)

Isn't it a national security risk?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Then he should solve the issue by requiring the code to be hosted on American servers with source code inspection.

Not by making EVs unaffordable.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Novel idea: make a car, not a cloud service. My phone is better at navigation etc anyways.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

My phone is better at navigation etc anyways.

You could similarly argue that phone makers should concentrate on making and taking calls. Turns out, that's not what consumers care about once a certain bar is cleared (a pretty low bar; call quality is notably bad on many modern cellphones). They care more about other stuff like... being good at navigation.

This has been put to the market test in China. For EV purchases, most consumers turn out not to care about the "car" aspects beyond a certain point. If the car drives okay and has acceptable safety, what matters is the Internet-based bells and whistles.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

"source code inspection."

Great idea. That way it can be put on pause indefinatly because that shit takes years.

On top of it. You can NEVER be certain anyway because there's code burnt into the chips that you cannot read.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Then make it so the manufacturer cannot just push cloud updates without permission from an oversight committee.

Raising the price does nothing at all to fix the security issues.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yes a big risk. Both natsec and IP theft are major concerns and cars are fully mic'd, compromisable, and to top it off, plug directly into your phone.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (7 children)

Then China shouldn’t subsidize its manufacturers’ exports while increasing the burden for foreign companies to compete internally. If anyone thinks China cornering the global EV market is a good long term plan, they are naive.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

The US subsidizes american car companies too. Pot calling the kettle and all.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Something something free market

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Hey, capitalism is only good when it makes the rich richer...

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

The free market is propaganda to trick people into thinking capitalism is somehow ethically solvent.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Anti China Republicans are going to HATE this! They would MUCH rather Elect the man whose Daughter got over 70 patents FASTTRACKED in China once he was elected!

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

I do t want the Chinese EVs because there falling apart exploding crushing more exploding and.there just not safe

Edit:Sorry about this I get political when I don't sleep sorry about this

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I’m interested in seeing the statistics for this, as I’m looking at a new ev and it would be nice to see.

Because you wouldn’t just make something up would you, you must have the figures to substantiate your claim.