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[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Trump “learned”? From “studying”?

Nah, dude is just an opportunistic dumb fuck

It’s wild to see his ex-wife’s claim, but I just don’t believe Trump was smart enough to study a book by Hitler and understand it. Hitler, as cruel and insane as he was, had a brain.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're thinking of Trump now, as a deranged old man. It's entirely possible he studied it back before he was a rambling incoherent loon. A lifetime of hamburders, drugs and privilege must really fuck a brain up.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, he was always an idiot

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Professor Kelley told me 100 times over three decades that “Donald Trump was the dumbest goddam student I ever had.” I remember his emphasis and inflection — it went like this — “Donald Trump was the dumbest goddam student I ever had.” Dr. Kelley told me this after Trump had become a celebrity but long before he was considered a political figure. Dr. Kelley often referred to Trump’s arrogance when he told of this — that Trump came to Wharton thinking he already knew everything.

He was absolutely a dumbass this whole time.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

To be fair, for a professor, any student reading Hitler's speeches on the side is very likely to either be a) the next Hannah Arendt or b) the dumbest goddamn student they'll ever have.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

He's always struck me more as doing a poor imitation of Mussolini

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The list regurgitates the same points over and over.

Old, deranged trump is a complete lunatic. Young, narcissistic trump was dumb as a rock, but he cared a lot, a whole lot about his image. He was popular and he's always been the useful idiot actual powerful and smart people like to hide behind.

To his credit, it would be way too wild of a coincidence for him to play the fascist playbook so accurately. He's probably been coached, the new order book annotated by someone who actually read it. I don't think he studied any of this seriously though. There is no foreshadowing of future event. He just gets stuck and incredibly mad at something blocking his path, and he probably goes "Hmm, what would Hitler have done", and he gets to use whatever brainpower he has to follow a few simple guidelines and rhetoric.

That's the thing with the fascist playbook, it's incredibly dumb. You just ignore everything and get people riled up about the next thing in order. It's immigrants, the medias, scientifics, every other politicians, elections, the justice system, democracy itself. He'll be jailed and do the next thing Hitler did, like have a smarter someone publish a "solution" to their "struggle" and it will be spread like gospel. Given the chance he'd then starts a war with a neighboring country. Just follow the steps one by one, even a buffoon like him can get coached on it. Suddenly you'll hear Canada has to be liberated and it is all you'll hear about. That's what his second term and planned for-life presidency would look like.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Trump and other Republicans have recently not-so-secretly been plotting to invade Mexico in a war on drug cartels. It's not Canada, but it's right in line with the fascist playbook.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This article reads like it was written by an AI whos entire dataset is comprised of talking points by the average redditor

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Naah. The article actually makes valid points. Can’t be parsed from reddit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Really. Those 20 points do absolutely nothing to indicate he "studied Hitler's speeches". It's basically just saying "Trump was awful. You know who else was awful? Adolf Hitler!".

Sometimes it's better to just let evil speak for itself. What a load of crap.

It seems he actually had a copy of My New Order though. But I doubt Trump ever had the discipline to study it much. Bannon yes.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

The thing is, it just doesn't make sense. I think it's uncontroversial to say Hitler's skills in oration were a factor in the rise to power of that regime. But Trump? Trump is a horrible orator.

I don't see similarities at all in terms of oration. Trump meanders through a speech, often switching subjects abruptly, leaving thoughts incomplete, or otherwise being entirely nonsensical.

That in itself is a strategy -- I think people lacking formal education especially are susceptible to it and see it as sounding intelligent ("he's so smart, the thoughts just keep flowing!"), but it is extremely un-Hitlerlike in terms of oration style.

Is it an actual strategy of Trump or does he just naturally meander like that? I kind of lead towards the latter, which means he's probably gotten lucky by surrounding himself with stupid people for a very long time.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s giving Trump WAY too much credit.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Is it though? Read the article. It lays put a pretty good case for exactly why trump is copying Hitler.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I don't think "the don" is intelligent enough for that.

He is a narcissistic piece of shit.

Okay, folks, show's over.

Nothing to see here, show's - oh my god, a horrible plane crash!

Hey everybody, get a load of this flaming wreckage!

Come on, crowd around. Crowd around, don't be shy, crowd around.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I could almost say that would be a disservice to Hitler. Fuck'em both.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It's a completely flawed comparison. Hitler was capable of making coherent sentences, and he was doing it rather well. He wasn't just identifying a few catch phrases (build a wall! Lock her up!) and repeating them ad infinitum to make the crowds go wild.

Fascism doesn't need to look like a bunch of drooling idiots in adult diapers. That's just the specific branch of it that ended up successful in contemporary America, for whatever reason.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

You haven't really listened to a lot of Hitler's speeches then. The dude was a rambming baboon.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I agree. The reason I said it I would almost say it's a disservice is only because it seems strange to say anyone could do a disservice to Hitler.

Trump speaking at a fifth grade level is either a tactic or a beneficial coincidence, his cult loves it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

its good that trumps barely cognizant because hed be making much better speeches if he could.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

If he made better speeches I don't think his base would be capable of following him. He's the perfect authoritarian for the people he's leading, as illustrated by the failure of the Republican party to find a substitute for him.

DeSantis is more cognizant, and happy to ape anything Trump does to get a following. He's a total failure.

Trump's lack of coherence makes it possible for him to get away with literally anything, as you can always chose what you want to hear and what you want to see, and there's always something he has said that indicates he feels exactly the way you do about things. It's a talent that is, thankfully, not easily imitated.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Wasn't he accused of something like that by an ex-wife?