It is wild that people will say that using apt to install things is too hard, but then suggest a registry edit to remove Bing from seach. Windows just isn't as casual user friendly as it pretends to.
this post was submitted on 08 May 2024
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Honestly, with Flatpak and immutable base systems this is a place Linux is really excelling now too. Being able to show a novice user a shared package manager with a search and a bunch of common apps and them actually install/remove them in a safe manner with a high likelihood they'll work out of the box (since they come with all their deps in sync independent from distro) is kinda huge.
It's a pretty mixed bag honestly. Sure there are some apps that we get in a mammoth poorly made appimage we'd probably have to have run in wine before or some terrifying statically compiled program embedded in a run script and that's probably a win.
The trade-off is every developer being their own distro maintainer, 100s of gigs of duplicate dependencies, broken containers with missing libraries, leaky requirements on the underlying system, and everyone needs to be a security expert to understand all the options in flatseal to expose the right features.
Also, instead of one distro source, I've got at least 3 and I've in the last week had to install programs from multiple sources trying to get a functioning version. This feels like the norm rather than an exception.
Also this week had an app image broken by a requirement on a removed system library outside the app and a flatpak missing a key library forcing me to dig up an old .deb version. The later I lost like 6hrs on because clearly libusb was installed on the system but I didn't realize I'd installed the flatpak and in wasn't in the container. Such fun.
So it's not really all sunshine and rainbows yet.
Fwiw, this is not an endorsement of Windows. I strongly believe if most people spent half the time they spent fighting Windows learning Linux they'd never go back.
Don't really need sandboxed software for that. Ubuntu comes with their own software store and even if you only select deb, you just klick on install and you're done
Even good ol' Debian has that, using either GNOME Software or KDE Discover for managing software.
I'd even add that now 99% of the distro have a gui over the package manager. Have an android or iPhone? You already have experience in installing stuff in an easier way than windows
Unless you want to install older apps on modern Android. Then you need ADB.
adb install --bypass-low-target-sdk-block app_filename.apk
Uh. Didn't knew that.
Just as friendly as using a phone with MIUI
I felt that.
I actually like MIUI, I just wish I didn't need to memorize many bugs and ways to get around them.
GUIs, even the Registry Editor, are familiar territory for a lot of users. Give them a blank screen cli, and there is no hint of what to do next. There are good reasons why the vast majority clearly prefer GUIs.
Tried a few of those once, only one worked and mfker installed itself in the next update. Uninstalling Windows was easy af tho.
That's also my preferred way to remove Edge.
This is the kind of dark pattern that trains Windows users trying to switch to Linux to do dumb things like blowing straight through a
You are about to do something potentially harmful.
To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'
prompt.
I just went ahead and deleted anything that looked Edge-related from all the system directories. Sure, my computer won't boot into Windows anymore, but all the more reason to use Linux!
That's how you actually remove edge.
step 1: download bootable linux usb image . . .
So I was going to go find the Download link for the Linux version of Edge to post as a joke, right?
So I googled (actually duckduckgo'd) "microsoft edge" and clicked one of the first couple of links that looked like it was probably the right place to go.
And was presented with this modal:
I'm visiting that page from Firefox in Arch Linux on a Raspberry Pi 4.
Admittedly I'm running a user agent switcher because otherwise I get the mobile version of a lot of sites, but it's still funny to me. I like being able to say "the fuck it is."
Your Pi doesn't have Edge installed, but your eyes do.
I got a free iMac recently and immediately tried to install some software on it and was told "we don't recognize this so you can't install it". Like excuse me WTF?
You have to hit ctrl on the keyboard while you click to bypass it. Apple Support Article
I'm sure there are workarounds. That's besides the point.
If they had said "we don't recommend you install this" that would be completely fine and understandable. But that's not what happened. I wasn't presented with any option to bypass it. I was just told no. I shouldn't have to Google how to do that. It's completely absurd.
Fun fact: it also won't let me turn off Bluetooth. How fucking batshit is that?
I so often can’t stand e.g. important privacy toggles being hidden deep in settings, dark patterns that obfuscate permitted but unprofitable behavior - so you’d think I’d be with you on this 100%.
And yet…
If they had said "we don't recommend you install this"
, grandma would hit OK without reading it.
For every dollar someone has paid tech support to help them install a desired app from an unidentified developer, I’d bet ten dollars have been saved from others not being able to install some spyware. Maybe that murky little dialogue box is good enough for the lowest common denominators that it outweighs the annoyance for us nerds? (Our small cost being we’re required to Searx once for the solution to learn how to bypass it)
grandma would hit OK without reading it.
Then grandma would be responsible.
I don't buy it. Because Apple has lied about this sort of thing time and time again. Giving us bullshit explanations about why they won't let us control "our" devices. "Security", over and over again they use this bullshit to explain away all kinds of self-serving shitfuckery. I'm certain it has far more to do with their 30% app store fees.
Ohhhhh THAT
Point would stand in that I’d say $1 spent, $10 saved… but a million made by Apple 😉
"It just works"
oh how the turns have tabled
Remember when courts declared Microsoft was a monopoly because they bundled their own browser, Internet Explorer, with the operating system? And they did it in a way that made it impossible to completely remove from the OS. Did they learn their lesson? I think they did, just not the lesson we wanted them to learn. Go ahead and try to uninstall Edge from Windows 10 or 11. Dive into the task manager sometime too and you'll see Edge sub-processes running under a surprising number of other apps. There is no Windows operating system any more, it's just Internet Explore refactored and rebranded as Edge all the way down. (Obvious hyperbole) At least Chromebooks were up front about it.
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