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Out of the half a million troops killed I wonder how many were actually Russians? Doesn't look like things are working out for them.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago (2 children)

That number doesn't mean KIA. That encompasses all casualties. So if you got arms and legs blown off and can no longer fight, you are lumped into that number. The KIA number is around 130-140k. Which is still a lot of people.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

In context of the war, this number is more relevant. Dead or too injured to fight, fewer troops are fewer troops. It doesn't really matter what percentage in that 466,150 number are still alive when it comes to Russia's chances against the Ukrainian military.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Russia has more to spend. Ukraine doesn't which is becoming more and more apparent. Luckily that US bill was approved. But still there will need to be some immense luck and enginuity for Ukraine not to fall. Not to mention for Europe to stop this common delusion, come together and form a modern and strong army to step behind Ukraine with long term support. Probably with soldiers as well.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

How is having more money going to put more people on the ground?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

They meant Russia has more bodies to spend

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If you can expend more artillery, you can use less soldiers.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You can't capture a city with artillery.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

No, that'd be weird. You use artillery and soldiers.

The less soldiers you lose, the more you have left.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Not disputing that. Just that OP labeled them all as killed. Any Russian sent home in a box or carried out on a litter is a win for democracy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

As long as they can't be sent back to fight. Honestly I don't ever feel good seeing or hearing about Russian troops being killed for the simple fact that I know many of them are conscripts or people scraped out of the bottom of the economic barrel (prisoners, mentally ill etc.).

I remember seeing a video of a guy who was so drunk he literally walked over into the Ukrainian trenches thinking they were his own. Luckily he was taken prisoner rather than shot, but they literally had to explain to him where he was.

I wonder sometimes if some of them haven't also been some of the young people imprisoned for protesting the war at the start, now used as fodder at gun point. Russia has shown no issue with sending their soldiers on suicide missions to test defense lines etc. A body can have "use" to the war machine, whether it's willing or not.

The war is righteous for Ukraine and needs to be fought, but I never feel celebratory about the scale of death.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I do kind of feel good when i see aggressor troops fall/perish . At least that soldier can't kill anymore defenders, so it's like a +X ukrainian lives lootdrop that pop's out of them. I'm not happy a human is now dead, but I am happy that there is one soldier less in poot poot's army killing other people in their home country.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Cough Vietnam, cough Falklands, sniffle gulf war.

Do you feel the same when it's the "good guys" doing it?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Sure! Aggressors can fuck right off :)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

Russia apparently has a deep history of spending enormous numbers of lives for military victories. Unless something changed I wouldn't rely on casualty numbers to indicate if they are close to breaking.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Here’s a great illustration of how many people Russia was willing to lose in ww2. I think that mindset is still alive and well today.

https://youtu.be/DwKPFT-RioU?si=kJTzsBFN7WGjEpAv

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

It's worth remembering that WW2 was an existential threat to the Soviet Union and most of the people living in it. This war isn't. See how the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan turned out.

And, of course, Ukraine was also part of the Soviet Union. Russians weren't the only ones fighting the Nazis on the Eastern Front

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's there in their leaders, sure.

I don't believe the people see it the same way.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I’m not hearing a lot about the Russian people being against the war.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I have. Did you not see there was an open armed rebellion in Russia? Granted it was the Wagner group but still, the people of Russia certainly didn't stop them or unite against the rebellion.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

The Wagner group was an attempt at a coup d'état.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Of course not. They're living in fear of their lives if they critisise the government.