Is Radicale the way forward? (www.cloudron.io)

submitted 3 weeks ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

39 comments fedilink hide all child comments

Just thinking of ditching nextcloud and its just too much for my family use. All i needis carddav, caldav and file sync. Have a Debian VM running on Scale and was thinking of using Cloudron docker install. Is this the way others are installing on VMs?

top 39 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:

Fewer Letters	More Letters
DNS	Domain Name Service/System
HTTP	Hypertext Transfer Protocol, the Web
IP	Internet Protocol
SFTP	Secure File Transfer Protocol for encrypted file transfer, over SSH
SMB	Server Message Block protocol for file and printer sharing; Windows-native
SSH	Secure Shell for remote terminal access
SSO	Single Sign-On
nginx	Popular HTTP server

6 acronyms in this thread; the most compressed thread commented on today has 5 acronyms.

[Thread #716 for this sub, first seen 27th Apr 2024, 08:35] [FAQ] [Full list] [Contact] [Source code]

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I switched to Radicale and couldn't be happier, so lightweight no pain setting it up or updating. Supports CardDav for the addressbook and CalDav for calendar, tasks, notes.

Nextcloud is for Enterprises, not for selfhosting anymore.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Completely agree about Nextcloud. The project rose to fame on selfhosters beta testing it, then buddied up to enterprise users and ditched the initial user base.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

I tried to use Radicale, but it was too much effort, so i started using Baikal instead.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Haha, interesting, for me it was the exact opposite, I started with Baikal but it was too weird and I couldn't get it up and running quickly enough and then I think I was not able to share my calendar with my partner or something, so I switched to Radicale.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

What do you do for file syncing, if you don't mind me asking

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Seafile has been great for me.

400gb, multiple users. Single sign in with Authentik.

Just recently setup only office integration

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Syncthing and I have it partitioned with:

Music
Documents
Family Documents
Password DB

So that I can decide what to sync to which device.Music is for example too big to sync to my Phone so I don't. Family documents I also share with my partner. Password DB I sync with all my devices but not to anyone else.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

I use syncthing between my desktop and laptop for syncing all my documents, development environments and so on. Works well.

But how well does it work for sharing with someone else? E.g. it would be great to find a solution where myself and my partner could share notes and shopping lists which we can both edit. We use Google keep currently but I'm currently testing out solutions to de-google our lives. Nextcloud seemed like a good idea as it has docs and things but I've not found it very good to be honest. Especially syncing on a mobile. I've been using obsidian recently for my notes and it works well between laptop and desktop with the nextcloud app but I have to keep going into nextcloud on android to force it to sync or pick up new files. I'm just about to see how syncthing works for that but back to my original question..can you reliably have two people editing things with syncthing?

[-] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago

In the end it's just another devise. But we are not changing the same document at the same time, that would lead to many sync conflicts I imagine. For that some special protocol for concurent Editing would be better.

[-] [email protected] -2 points 3 weeks ago

Disagree. I've self hosted nextcloud for years without issue.

Just go with what you need. Some only need contacts and calendars, others want the whole thing.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

I think that's kind of what they meant. I've also selfhosted Nextcloud for years, but I only use file sync and calendar/contacts.

Lately I've been feeling that Nextcloud is too big and clunky for just that. Like it's something I'd love to setup at work or for an org, but that it "feels" to heavy for home use these days.

I need to check out Radicale, I think.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Same with me. Nextcloud is the typical it does everything but doesn’t excel in anything

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, I also selfhosted it for years myself. But I was adding more and more services to my server and it became clear that if I would want to keep Nextcloud I'd need a server with more CPU and RAM because when Nextcloud was running it would after half a day deadlock the server with a load of 120 so I had to hard reboot it twice a day.

After replacing it with radicale and syncthing I was able to run Mastodon and Lemmy on the same server additionally.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

120? That doesn't seem normal, what services were you using within NC? Mine sits still with a load of 0. something.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago

Calendar, and addressbook actively. File sharing only seldom.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Cloudron is kind of a freemium product. They offer a few apps (two ?) for free to use. For more apps you need to pay. Their back-end does have a view-source-but-no-edit "open source" license last time I checked. Bu if you want to keep things easy, go for it.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Syncthing can backup your photos on Android.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

i have just started running radicale a lot more for calendars and contacts. then use betterbird for the client on my laptop and other android apps.

the problem is that there is no web-ui. otherwise, relatively solid and lightweight server so far.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

From other responses to this thread it appears that Baikal does have a web UI so maybe it closes this gap?

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I currently rent a VM running nextcloud for family use. It currently shows its age with all the nescessary tinkering to keep it current. (also have to use the hosters db which is .. difficult)

I'm thinking along the same lines...

a smallffpc at home, dyn to my home ip, wireguard as a vpn into my home, The server runs: radicale caldav carddav, ksmbd family photos.

my main problem: this needs to work on ios and android and linux and windows, reliably, which it currently does not in my test setup.

currently lacking a solution for recipe sharing and shopping list sharing. Maybe setting up nextcloud on my own server is less of a hassle_..

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

I have Linux with GNOME and Android and my partner has iOS and Windows and all the CalDav and CardDav stuff works fine. Or at least adressbook and calendar. I couldn't find a client for iOS for CalDav notes and tasks.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Same. The basic stuff works and i managed to replace recipes with nextcloud cookbook but its quite heavy caldav notes and tasks support on ios would be wonderful but i couldnt find something that integrates into our workflow and systems.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

CalDAV note support is very rare on Android too. I think jtxBoard is the only app that does it and it needs DAVx5 to work.

It's a terrible pity, it would be great to be able to sync notes to CalDAV if you're using it for events and tasks and contacts but alas nobody seems interested.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah it's a pitty. For Linux I started writing https://github.com/jeena/jnotes but it will still take a lot of time before it's usable.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

I've been hoping to find a non-PHP alternative to Nextcloud for a while, but unfortunately I've yet to find one which supports my base requirements for the file storage.

Due to some quirks with my setup, my backing storage consists of a mix of local folders, S3 buckets, SMB/SFTP mounts (with user credential login), and even an external WebDav server.
Nextcloud does manage such a thing phenomenally, while all the alternatives I've tested (including a Radicale backed by rclone mounts) tend to fall completely to pieces as soon as more than one storage backend ends up getting involved, especially when some of said backends need to be accessed with user-specific credentials.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Owncloud infinite scale is a rewrite of owncloud(=nextcloud) in go, it supports local, nfs and S3 mounts. Change the smb share to nfs and it might fit you

Disadvantages are:

All the plugins need to be rewritten, so if you need some extra feature, it's going to be missing
They got acquired by a company that sells an expensive alternative for corporations (RIP? Who is paying millions to maintain a free alternative/competitor?)
Documentation is inferior, community is much smaller

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

There is no difference between installing software on a VM and on "bare metal". The OS takes care of the hardware stuff.

I installed it according to their manual on their website (https://radicale.org/v3.html) which is imo pretty easy. The TLDR is that you first install python3 and its package manager pipx, then you install radicale using pipx and finally you run it as a systemd service. You can just copy their service template. The issue comes when you need to run multiple web services though. Radicale wants to be on the website root (website.com/ instead of website.com/some/path/blablabla/ ) which is not as trivial to set up as the previous steps. They have a template for nginx and apache but you need to kinda know the very basics of one of these to set it up.

Also on debian there is a package so you could technically just apt install radicale and then systemctl enable radicale if you want to avoid creating a service and installing python.

Obviously you need to create a basic config either way according to their manual. At least for password authentification.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

OK, so seems like best way to install Radicals is on my Debian VM using apt. I wonder if anyone has compared Baikal to Radicale ...

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

I haven't tried Baikal but it seems to have (from the screenshots) just a bit more features. Radicale is merely the calendar+contacts+tasks server. You can login through the web UI to create calendars and delete them. They are then managed by a calendar/contact/task app like thunderbird. Baikal seems to have settings and a dashboard in the web UI which Radicale lacks.

Both seem to have an unofficial docker container if you're into that.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Well, I was looking fo r the docker container but as my VM is Debian, I'll go down the apt route which is official and maintained.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

I just want an app to backup all the photos from my phone automatically. I use NextCloud for that currently and it works well. But, it's kinda heavy for what I want/need.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

have you heard about immich? it's a bit 'heavy', too, but that's because it's not just a photo backup solution but aims to be a self-hosted multi-user replacement for google photos.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Can Immich just leave my photos alone in their current location / folder structure, or does it take over and mangle it all up?

I'm fairly happy with my photo storage structure, but would like the features of Immich...

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

I use it in readonly mode. Works great nice app and great search capabilities.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

There's also PhotoPrism which is nice. The comparison between the two is evolving with every release.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

They don't have a proper Android app with sync capability and force you to use the proprietary, 3rd-party PhotoSync app.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

That's not entirely correct. PhotoPrism offers WebDAV and SAMBA protocols, and their docs state that clearly: https://docs.photoprism.app/user-guide/sync/mobile-devices/#other-apps Furthermore, you can always sync files to the server via other means (e.g. SyncThing).

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

I'm talking about easy to set up, new user friendly solutions. Having an official app with a sync feature is essential in my opinion

this post was submitted on 27 Apr 2024

8 points (100.0% liked)

Selfhosted

36370 readers

614 users here now

A place to share alternatives to popular online services that can be self-hosted without giving up privacy or locking you into a service you don't control.

Rules:

Be civil: we're here to support and learn from one another. Insults won't be tolerated. Flame wars are frowned upon.
No spam posting.
Posts have to be centered around self-hosting. There are other communities for discussing hardware or home computing. If it's not obvious why your post topic revolves around selfhosting, please include details to make it clear.
Don't duplicate the full text of your blog or github here. Just post the link for folks to click.
Submission headline should match the article title (don’t cherry-pick information from the title to fit your agenda).
No trolling.

Resources:

Any issues on the community? Report it using the report flag.

Questions? DM the mods!

founded 11 months ago

MODERATORS

[email protected]