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I constantly see angry mobs of people decrying "woke", "critical race theory", ""grooming"", and whatever other nonsense they made up this week. They march around with guns, constantly appending lib as a prefix to any word they can use to denigrate. They actively plot violence and spew hatred in the open.

You never see the inverse. There is no ConservativesofTiktok getting churches harassed into shutting down for the day or calling in threats. You don't see cringey boomer memes on the left. And whenever I openly express those feelings, try to create that sentiment; I get shut down. Noone agrees, I'm often shamed and muted. I just don't understand why that parity exists, it's extremely isolating to feel so alone in this

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I think there's an equal amount of anger on both sides. Unfortunately.

There's no longer room for actual, mature debate. Just mud-slinging and slurs. The fact is that most people are somewhere in the center politically, but the extremists are louder and get the attention because it's entertaining and the media uses it to sell content. It sucks.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

conservatives especially hate people pretending to be above the fray

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I'm going to make a second comment, from the point of observation bias:

OP obviously knows people who have been attacked by vicious, hateful people on the right. But OP is probably hanging around neither the people on the right being attacked by vicious, hateful people on the left, nor around the vicious, hateful minority of the left who are attacking people on the right.

So she hasn't seen it. But I have. I've been attacked from the right for my progressive views and from the left for my conservative views, and from both by people who assume that if I think A I must also think B and C, no matter how benign A is and horrific C is.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (8 children)

What conservative views do you hold?

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I mean plenty of lefty folks hate righties but they hate the ideology and not the people. They hate the people in so much as they hate the ideology they spout and its hate. There is a lot of hate inherent to right ideology but not so much in left ideology. At the end of the day I don't hate any particular person just them pushing things on me or the world that makes either worse. Take the old order anabaptist types like the amish. They are ultra conservative but keep to themselves. Is there bad things in the way their communities run. You betcha. But anyone can leave and sure they will be shunned but otherwise if they accept just not being part of it then they are free of it all. I am sorta losing where I am going with this but hope it helps in some way.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

Can't speak for anyone but me on this one. It's the same reason I don't hate anyone, really. We're all unique with completely different perspectives on the world, perspectives that naturally lead us to different conclusions. Me hating someone will only push them into their own world. I'd rather share my perspective, and hope it moves theirs a bit, so that we might reach a better common ground.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Propaganda. For decades the conservative radio hosts have been vilifying democrats constantly and most of the time for no reason at all. It has slid into television as well but they started with radio a long long time before that.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

most of the time for no reason at all

Not for no reason. It's a form of control. If you genuinely believe that the opposing party is going to bring the country to ruin, you're a lot less likely to consider their position in politics.

Look at the affordable care act. Conservatives hated/hate it because "obamacare" was portrayed as giving free health care to the lazy poor that you have to pay for as a hard working conservative. When asked if we should repeal Obamacare, conservatives poll something crazy like 95% yes, simply because it's a bad word they learned.

Many of those conservatives have health care through the ACA and get mad when Republicans take it away because they need it. Those same conservatives mostly aren't even aware that what they have is literally obamacare.

It's control all the way down.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

Because they're mostly a group of people filled with hatred. That's what's uniting them. And the other side less so, so they don't act that way.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Hate requires you to consider them first competent with shared common values that inform their beliefs and actions. Otherwise it's mostly pity and disgust that they have no values other than authority and loyalty like a criminal enterprise, and usually can't tell if they are being evil on purpose or by accident/inaction/ignorance.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Liberals hate leftists like conservatives hate liberals.

Liberals are a hop and a skip away from being conservatives.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

Because liberals aren't assholes?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

there are definitely cringey liberal boomer memes, they're all on Facebook.

So you feel alone because you want to make cringey boomer memes and send threatening emails to Churches? I'm confused.

There are militant left movements, but there are just fewer people who align themselves with those movements because Communism and Socialism were basically illegal to talk about for decades, and the conservative fascism is basically just our mainstream government ideology (D or R).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

I’d have to spend time looking through conservative nonsense to make memes about it. I don’t care to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (5 children)

You should really ask the same question - or its inverse - in a conservative forum. If you only ask it here, you’ll get a very skewed answer.

And to be honest, the question itself and the wording shows your bias as well. Whenever something about US politics is posted on Lemmy, there are always comments about how “they” are hate-filled people, how “they” are projecting, how “they” want to rape children. It’s a different expression of that hatred, but it is the same hatred.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

I do hate them, but I'm secure enough that I don't need to make adversarialism my identity.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

My right wing uncle just yesterday posed this question in reverse oddly enough, it was a jarring conversation, soon ended when I pointed out the plentiful admittions of hateful rhetoric the right have spouted.

His information comes from YouTube personality's and I take great pleasure in researching the shit he regurgitate and showing him my finding with carefully selected source as unbiased as possible. in a way I feel sorry for the working class right winger, misguided, fueled purely by escapism and negative emotions then peddlers with skin in the game wrap them up with crazy notions of patriotism and conspiracy

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

One is a political party and one is a group of religious extremists?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

The opposite of woke is random shit boomers happened to grow up with. If your politics are based on some principle you can justify, then if you lose you try again later. If your politics are based on a random collection of historical accidents you can't justify, and you don't even like most of them except for a couple, but you think the only way to keep the couple you do like is to defend all of them, then losing is the end. You have to fight to the death, and once you do lose you can't cope by doing better next time, all you have is revenge.

Sometimes liberals also want to defend historical accidents that they think fit their idea of liberalism, and then they adopt the same kind of aggressive deterrence strategy, like pro-Israel liberals with college protests or the English with trans people.

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