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I've been using VMware Player (free version) for a while now and it's been working fine. Recently I switched to Wayland and VMware's grab input behavior broke. The guest gets most keys correctly but Alt and Super are intercepted by the host. Clicking on the vm also gives me a remote desktop popup on the host prompting to allow remote interaction which gives some weird results both on the host and guest. Apparently this is a known issue with gnome(?) and the only workaround is to add Super to any shortcut (eg. Super+Alt+Tab) but this obviously doesn't work for all shortcuts.

I'm using Gnome on Fedora and Ubuntu and they seem to have the same behavior (but no remote desktop popup on Ubuntu). Both work fine on X11. I've also tested both VMware player 16 and 17.

So if anyone is using VMware on Wayland, do you know of a combination that works? Does it work on KDE? Should I just switch to Virtualbox? I'd really rather keep Wayland if possible.

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[-] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago

Switch to KVM based virtualization such as gnome boxes or virtual manager

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

This. It is free, and good.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

The best in the industry

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

What do you like about GNOME Boxes?

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I've a very bad experience with GNOME boxes, both VMware and VirtualBox seem to outperform the thing and work better (drag and drop and resolution scaling, actual GPU acceleration).

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

It is simpler and runs as a local user

[-] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

Better question is who is using VMware at all. QEMU+virt-manager on top.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

Honestly, I was forced to use it for a project and then just stuck with it for its simplicity

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago
[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

If you don't need many features it's easier to quickly set up and create a vm than VirtualBox. Well until now anyway. I haven't tried the other alternatives mentioned here, they might be better in that aspect too.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

If you want simple, GNOME Boxes is hard to beat.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Virtual box is slow and requires kernel modules just like VMware. Seems easier to use something native.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

It's got really good hardware graphics acceleration.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago
[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

I've never gotten KVM video acceleration for a Windows guest to work on either Intel or Nvidia GPUs with any kind of easy tooling (virt-manager, Boxes). Closest I've come is using Intel vGPUs but those panic the host kernel after a short while.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

I just flipped the toggle and it worked. This is probably a "your millage will vary" moment.

Additionally GPU acceleration has received a lot of love recently as there has been a push for Foss VDI

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

If the feature never worked, it wouldn't be there! It's just rather unreliable in my experience, while VMWare seems to Just Work.

If I ever get new hardware or a new major kernel update, I'll try toggling the button again, but I totally get why people pick closed source tools in this case. Nothing that can't be fixed, just not something I have the time or skills for to fix.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

+1 here, intel on laptop.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, that's what I'm referring to. I've never successfully turned on hardware acceleration when running Windows guests, and I don't think Gnome Boxes even exposes the option.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Specifically for Windows vms without a GPU passed to it, VMware tends to do a way better job at least in my testing

[-] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

If you install the virtio drivers KVM based virtualization it will work way better. You can even copy and paste

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

It can be done, to some extent, but it's definitely not as easy as VMWare makes it. With Broadcom turning VMWare into shit I wish they'd just release the source code as AGPL and be done with it.

VMWare did something I've seen no other virtual machine software do: allow me to turn on Windows Aero on Windows 7 without registry hacks or PCIe passthrough.

The virtio tooling is amazing as an open source project, but when it comes to user experience, VMWare has always been better in my opinion. Still, I primarily run Linux VMs that don't need guest tooling, so I use virt-manager, but every so often I wish VMWare Player were open source because of how smooth it is in comparison to free software.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yeah, Windows on KVM without GPU acceleration is not ideal. Also setting up a VM with all the bells and whistles like a shared folder, USB, printing is still easier on VMware than virt-manager. I've recently switched all my Windows VMs from VMware to KVM/virt-manager.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

virt-manager for the win!

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I had the same issue and was unable to find a solution.

I'd say switch to gnome-boxes or virt-managerif possible - they don't have this issue with Wayland and perform better than VMWare / Virtual Box anyway.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Interesting, I didn't know about virt-manager. I might try one of those, thanks for the suggestion.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

I had to switch the computer where I needed VMware to an Xorg session. 🥹

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Sadly that means the second screen not working properly

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Fractional scaling is also a bit subpar.

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