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“All they are trying to do is convince us that there is some kind of movement toward where we want,” Siblani said. “But it’s too slow and it’s dragging. It’s more death and casualties that are happening.”

The highest-profile example of the stonewalling came last week when a Palestinian American doctor walked out of a meeting with Biden. But interviews with Muslim and Arab American leaders reveal how that face-to-face protest was only the most conspicuous case of a fracture that has damaged crucial relationships and closed avenues needed to repair them.

But the situation presents a challenge for a president who believes in the political power of personal relationships and has prized his history of sitting down with opponents and critics. It could also jeopardize his reelection this year, with some Muslims warning they are unwilling to support Biden even it that risks returning Donald Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee, to the White House.

Salam Al-Marayati, who lives in Los Angeles and leads the Muslim Public Affairs Council, described the attitude as, “Forget them. They have to learn a lesson. And if they lose, that’s the lesson they should learn.”

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I just hope they vote third party. No reason to support either candidate.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Third party, another, "Let Israel finish the job" vote.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You guys could join us.

I bet you would rather support Biden sending more and more bombs, than stand with us and say no.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Okay, "us." Which specific candidate should we vote for that has a legitimate chance of beating both Trump and Biden?

Because "vote third party" will not beat Trump or Biden even if you wish really hard.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If people actually worked at it we could get anyone.

I like Whitmer and I think we could convince her to run

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So you believe that a person who has not even been convinced to run yet is the person we should vote for that has a legitimate chance of beating both Trump and Biden?

You honestly believe that?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I prefer to aim high and miss than aim low and hit.

I did that with a president and an ex wife, both were horrible decisions.

Trump is an asshole for sure, but I have faith in the democrats doing like they did last time and fucking up as much as possible.

At least the Cheeto says what he means.

Biden talks out the side of his mouth because he’s too busy gobbling Netanyahu’s balls with the rest.

Besides i believe we deserve to suffer if trump gets elected, maybe we will learn this time about ignoring huge swaths of your supporters.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You are a fucking shill for trump. “Says what he means”??? Hahah you cultist dipshit. He wants your money. That’s it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Holy shit bro, are you deliberately ignoring the context here?

Fuck the Cheeto and fuck Biden both, they both just want to kill brown people and that’s it.

The only difference is Big Mac says what he means.

The day that one of these two die is buried is the day the world gets a new urinal.

C’mon Bro try harder.

Also quote what I say in your comment, once we get too far into a thread I just have to click into your post history to find it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Try harder? You try harder. All you are doing is hedging bets and offering critique without solutions. For all your ponticating about shit ‘you know to be true’ you sure sound like you are devoid of some much needed culture. How long have you spent out of your sounthern village of 1500; when all you can come up with for an insult on California is “hippie shit”? It’s not lost on me that American politics is a sham. Frankly I think that’s really an aside here. You say trump says what he means and the worst insult you have for him is “Cheeto”. Meanwhile almost every comment you have about Biden starts with “fucking” and the dives into some watered down hyperbolic Fox News talking points. He is a war monger. Biden I mean. But you shilling for the con- Everyman because you have an abbreviated view of the world is embarrassing cause that asshole Is also a war monger. I happen to agree that they both want to kill brown people, that’s why I don’t make excuses for either of them. You do. Not only that but your need to interject with things like who’s a better or worst activist is moot cause tho you talk some shit, you are just sitting around on your ass proclaiming all-it-is-you-believe-to-be-true into your echo chamber. Try harder??? Get fucked. Your privilege is leaking. Also it’s so rich telling me to try harder when you are the one that first called me an asshole. I guess I would rather be that than some closeted sycophant who’s idea of activism stems from standing up for smoked meats and leaf blowers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

I just hate him so much.

Everyone knew what trump was he was free and clear about his hatred and xenophobia.

Biden, I fell for. I thought he was going to be good, not great, but not just “not trump” then he did the railroad strike that way, but he eventually got them what they wanted.

Yeah it took a little longer, but lives weren’t really at stake over a few weeks on that one.

Then he did this shit, and now I hate him in the way that you can only hate someone who has betrayed you. My loyalty was shattered, so yeah, at least trump let me know he was a racist piece of shit. Hillary was my “Not Trump” vote.

One is just an obvious grifter and conman, the other is the same but he fooled me as well.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If you're an American it seems like your choices really are between Biden and his slow genocide or Trump with his quick one.

It doesn't seem like you can really rely on your political leaders to help resolve this conflict in a way that doesn't lead to more suffering and death, only the pace at which it happens. If those are the only two options, I don't blame Muslim and Arab Americans for giving up on Biden.

I think it would just be more honest to acknowledge there's no real support amongst any American political leadership to minimise the suffering of either the Palestinian or Israeli people.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

What suffering of the Israelis? They're partying and listening to shitty techno music and getting showered in free American money and weapons.

Palestinians are living in tents and starving. They'd love to be subjected to America's treatment of Israel.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Both Palestinians and Israelis see each other as existential threats. Ignoring this basic reality means there will always be conflict in the region.

Palestinians are suffering en masse right now, I don't think anyone reasonable is denying that.

But what do you think happens if the underlying, justifiable, fear that they each have of the isn't addressed? There will be more massacres and more war, and like in every war, innocent people will pay the price.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Israelis massive victim complex juxtaposed with then acting like Nazi's doesn't somehow make both sides equal.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

So what do you propose to stop Israeli aggression towards Palestine?

The next time their music festivals get attacked and people kidnapped they should just be ok with it?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

This is reversing cause and effect.

Israel is currently massively terrorizing the West Bank. They have recently committed the largest land theft there in decades expanding their Lebensraum for their Ubermensch.

Somehow this doesn't matter. Somehow whatever israel does to other people is entirely irrelevant until they fight back. That is where the conflict must start. Not at the 20 year long brutal occupation and regular terror bombing of Gaza by israel.

We can expect Palestinians in the West Bank to start resisting against israels brutal Nazi regime as well. And then you can post more about music festivals (forget the 33% military kills btw)

Or we can tell israel to stop doing Nazi shit right now so those oppressed people in the West Bank don't have a reason to fight back.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Maybe they should start sharing some words with Hamas about releasing the hostages and surrendering so that the war can end.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

Israel has said they will continue their Genocide if Hamas releases the hostages.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

Nice to see some people don't support Genocide. If only more people had those moral standards a third party would win. Too bad libs will excuse Genocide for their God Emperor Joe Biden.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 6 months ago

We need to stop paying attention to what the Biden government says, and pay absolute attention to what they do! They're speaking out of both sides of their mouth, FFS!