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As you all know, I have been writing a novel and this is the writing community...

This video by Shaun is actually pretty inspiring. The idea that JKRowling went from zero to billionaire by writing a series that had so many stupid mistakes in it lifts quite a burden off my shoulders.

I've seen the Harry Potter movies, they're not bad, nor are they particularly amazing. Well, it is amazing that they actually got made and fully budgeted until the end. The Narnia series after the third movie had to abort to save the wallet of the producers, Pirates of the Caribbean made a deep dive into the bottom of the ocean of low quality, The Hobbit was bad in ways mere mortals are not qualified to explain. I'd have swapped the amount of production effort HP and PotC got to the last movie if I could.

The Harry Potter directors were smart enough to cut out some of JKR's weird shit. I didn't read past the third novel. I only watched the movies, and they did make a good job of toning down the worst parts of the bullying and slavery apologia. I can see where HP movie fans and HP theory readers can have very different understandings of how JKR talked about slavery.

There is probably a large Venn Diagram intersection of people who downplay the slavery and people who pretended to read the whole series to the end for some kind of clout.

As I write, I'm meticulously paranoid about details that don't mean something later in the story, or dig a hole that later becomes a plothole and gets forgotten instead of filled. In fact, I'm kind of worried that my paranoia could make the novel(s) incompletable.

Sherlock Is Garbage, And Here's Why - Hbomberguy[1:49:52] dabbles a bit on that with the recent BBC sherlock series. He notes a director who is apparently talented at building up, but is utterly incapable of actually building to a destination. I had already felt like Sherlock was off, and Hbomberguy just happened to release a damning video that precisely articulates why I liked individual episodes of Sherlock, but felt the series as a whole wasn't adding up. Because really, it literally was just kind of going nowhere, but with the aesthetics of about to get there. And Sherlock wasn't the first series the director ruined for Hbomberguy.

Game of Thrones is an interesting example. The guy's ending was clearly a shower thought, he built a world, he built several books. Maybe he built something so big he couldn't finish it. This could be me in 10 years (minus the financial success, statistically speaking).

I have to walk the tight rope between a story with no errors or accidental loose ends, but also a story that cleanly arrives with a satisfying destination.

Best of luck to everyone.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Game of Thrones is very different than Harry Potter in that sense.

Harry Potter is completely, and as Shaun points out, inherently stagnant. Change can only happen on an individual scale, the system is perfect and if something is bad, it is because some evil person out there deliberately made it so because they're evil and bad. The reason Harry Potter isn't going anywhere is because, well, where is it supposed to go? Rowling sees no fundamental problems in this world that would need fixing.

A Song of Ice and Fire is orders of magnitude more complex. GRRM has established a narrative that is arguably too thorough for its own good. Everything is intertwined, if one king makes decision X we get to see how it affects every character in the story, there are so many plot threads in the air that it's not really feasible for all of them to be concluded in a satisfactory manner.

Basically, GoT conditioned its viewers to drop all suspension of disbelief. Every actions must always have realistic consequences. And in a world as large as the one created by GRRM, that's borderline impossible to write.

Edit: GoT is going somewhere, but because of how realistic it's trying to be it's impossible to neatly tie it all up because that's not how the world works. Unlike Harry Potter, which is simply stagnant, GoT is moving in many different directions and there's no end in sight, but there is continuous progression.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

GoT is moving in many different directions and there’s no end in sight, but there is continuous progression.

That is realistic though; empires rise and fall, life goes on. Until climate change ends it all that is. Maybe GRRM should have written something analogous to that in... ooooh right

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Don't worry we went up north and had a random character kill the changer of climates.