Really disappointed by the Hexbear crackers for that one thread. Way too many “booohoo poor me and my white feelings” with way too many upvotes. At some point, it’s my own fault for being disappointed in Hexbear Because that means I held them to, too high of a standard, and I should know better.
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Didn't realize that thread had blown up into a full on struggle session. Sucks that anytime a POC points out a legitimate concern people come out of the woodwork to minimize their concerns.
Oh yeah, definitely.
I just checked that thread again, and damn, I got out called out by the resident cracker who constantly malds about the word "cracker" but he didn't bother tagging me like the coward he is lmao. If you check his history, it's very obvious he has a problem with people who aren't white, and he only gets away with it because Hexbear is too white and a lot of his bullshit flies under the radar of most white people.
But he's an afterthought that barely merits real attention. The actual people I don't feel comfortable about are the white trans people who said, "I do the same with cis people too." Look, Angel is also trans, and if they wanted to make a point about not trusting cis progressives in the same way, Angel would've done so. But they didn't. It's just another way for white people to make everything be about themselves.
If you talk about someone behind their back on Hexbear (without tagging them) then that's fucking rude and should at least net you a warning or temp-ban, imho.
Was it a full-on "white people are oppressed" bogus situation?
If not, and it's what I think it is, let 'em vent for now.
Once they do so, many will know better.
I upvoted your comment and agree with you, but getting worked up over what shenanigans white people are up to and their lack of self-criticism at times will just get you flummoxed constantly.
The best policy is to patiently explain that they're wrong to see themselves as victims of racism.
Some will balk and whine, others will realize their wrong.
It's going to be a long time till white people are a minority so let's not ruin our mental health over it.
That's my policy, anyway.
it was more like "saying you dont immediately trust white leftist makes ME sad, what about MY feeling" and "were not gonna get a working class movement like this!" (implying that thats poc peoples fault). and yeah i am no longer arguing with these people online, i have not seen any reason to think that i am capable of making a white person understand something that they are determined to misunderstand. im think ill leave that work to my other poc comrades and save my mental energy for irl crackers.
lol You got it. Maybe I'll try to bridge the gap.
Yeah, they may not have ultimately meant it, but they definitely seemed to ultimately imply what you were relaying here of that interaction.
We need solidarity but it must be coalitionary as well and that means recognizing that some groups are more oppressed than others. I once saw a POC comrade say that "it's not an oppression Olympics" but I disagree with what they were getting at; if you're Autistic, trans, and POC, then you're more oppressed than a white Autistic person or POC person or trans person, imho.
That isn't to say that that singularly trans or POC or Autistic person are not suffering, but immediately, say, talking about BIPOC and how we're all " not gonna get a working-class movement like this!" is a wrong look and sends the wrong message.
Honestly, we need to communicate better, imho.
You're talking about the post by Angel, right?
yeah, the thread that got locked.
that one thread amirite heheheh
Just looked at that thread, Angel's comment really rings true. Having to wait for someone to really show their true colors before I can bring it up with other white friends since otherwise i'll pick up a reputation as an instigator Usually with Europeans it's when you accidentally send the secret activation codes to trigger an unhinged rant about Romani people.
On the topic of hexbear crackery, I've been seeing some users post yakub stuff in their comments. I thought hexbear banned it a while back or am I wrong? Should I have been reporting them?
no it is not allowed, report away!
White crackers about to get the
What is yakub stuff?
The Nation of Islam believe that white people were created in an ancient greek lab by a scientist named Yakub (Who is also the biblical Jacob). Because most white people don't and never will experience actual racism something that sounds like a racist conspiracy theory against them is humorous to them and so they have co-opted it. The problem is that it very easily and depressingly often takes a step further and ends up becoming a joke on black people.
Thank you, I'm starting to understand now. I've heard the reference before (ironically only from white people) but thought it was a meme I didn't get and never understood the origin until now.
There is a lore of this man, named Yakub in Arabic, but Jacob as in English... in the Nation of Islam...
He is a self-hating African man, with an intelligent brain (in fact, he was born with a big head)...
He tried to group up the most light-skinned people, and decided to do eugenics on them on an isle called Patmos, where he practiced eugenics and selective breeding for thousands of years before dying...
I... see... I think...
I wanted to respond with "hey, what the fuck does this mean" or "I don't get it" but upon further reading, that's it. There's nothing else to get. It's exactly as you said. Thank you for explaining.
Next question, what does crackers "posting yakub stuff" mean? And why is it banned? Does it mean posting stuff that would be considered yakubian white devil shit or is it the referencing of yakub that's bad?
I thought the yakub stuff was about, I guess, the almost racist jocular self-flagellation of those white people, because, well, they were made by Yaqub, according to that lore...
Then again, it could just easily used to mock black people, by proclaiming they believe in this, as the other poster said...
oof
Easter was fine... our family and I went to a Catholic church and the usual outings (yk, it's quite multi-ethnic there, with there being South-Asians, Filipinos, Polish etc.)
Honestly, I feel bored and hollow, especially after a lack of sleep (6h) and some caffeine resulting from one of those drinks I had in the outing.... (matcha bubble tea I think)
I'm trying to catch with reading Das Kapital... now at Chapter 14...
I'm on chap. 3 of Das Kapital...
Don't worry pal, you can pass easily Chapters 4-6, then after you deal with larger ones like 7, 8-9,
Chapter 10 is a sudden shitshow, that's followed by an okayish 11-13, followed by Chapter 14 then 15.... (Agh..., I dread it now that I go closer, it's like 152 pages or somethin' )
I've resorted at this point to just copy and pasting down the damn chapters and underlining anything interesting on google docs... I'll dm them to ye...
It's admittedly shoddy, but hey, it kinda helps for me I guess
Oh thanks!
Admins, please pin this thread.
Had an argument with a white person on reddit, now my day is ruined
Eglin delenda est, honestly...
But you know, there's always the guilotine, o gue...
I'm glad that europe is on the self-destructive atlanticist path instead of having ties with (and thus gaining from) the Russia/China bloc.
With Russia, China, Central Asia, Southeast Asia, etc who needs those useless gardeners anyway
At times, I feel the same way, but honestly, it could just stall revolution in Europe, Japan, and other countries aligned with the U.S.
Otherwise, they could turn fascist and, thus, have a no-holds-barred approach to foreign policy (which could prove successful if they're willing to do anything and everything to still be on top).
It'll be even worse for the proletarian movements in the West (people's movements like BIPOC, LGBTQ+, Autistic and other disabled people, etc.).
Imagine if the West just becomes a stalwart of capitalism and fascism (even more than now)? If they strengthen their "base areas" then they can easily retake parts of Africa, Asia, Latin America, etc.
Not saying that it couldn't backfire, but it could also backfire against us.
Maybe a controversial and weird question, but I only feel comfortable asking in this thread.
I'm kinda interested in reading Mein Kampf for anti-Nazi reasons. I know it's going to be garbage but I'm curious from an historical perspective. I don't want to steal it, I used to steal food but I'm thankfully in a position now where stealing would hurt me now more than help me (solidarity though), but I also don't want to support Mein Kampf financially for obvious reasons.
Are there any non-Nazi publishers of Mein Kampf to purchase it from? I realize this is probably a ridiculously stupid question but I just wanted to check if there's any good way for anti-fascists to aquire it. I know I can probably just download a PDF and I'll probably do that but I do like to have physical copies of books.
I actually did something similar when I was fairly young. It is definitely garbage lol. If you do decide to read it, I’d really recommend you get an annotated version. I don’t remember which one I used but I switched partway through because Hitler’s writing is actively uninformative, especially if you don’t know exactly what random weimar republic era controversy he’s whining about. It’s pretty analogous to modern reactionary rhetoric tbh.
Thanks, that's helpful (but unsurprising) to know.
I love your username, by the way. Haha
Thank you!
I’m still shocked that it wasn’t taken lol
The beauty of Latin America is just how diverse people are and how people can be mixed without you even knowing.
My brother came over with his wife and son for Easter. He’s married to a pale English woman and their son shares her whiteness lol. You would never know he’s mixed unless you looked at his parents.
The kind of annoying part is how they insist he’s a light shade of brown when everyone else seems him as a little white boy.
That seems traumatizing, to be constantly pegged down as a white person when you're not.
I got up at a normal time today. Feels good. Should be able to fix my sleep schedule before my next therapy session. You know how there are wife guys? Well, I'm a therapy guy
You're a... therapist?
Edit: lol Point flew over my head.
I don't know who hang green is and I'm tired of pretending I do.
Dozed off after having ashwagandha and had a nightmare. Maybe took too much? Either way, came unexpectedly. Damn, it sucked...
Ah well.
I love ashwagandha for its effect on sleep due to some anti stress thing, I take half the dosage recommended on the gummy bottle I have, like 150mg or so, since if I don't I have to call the .
Would anyone be willing to do a Wikipedia alternative for communists with me? One with the Hexbear brand or maybe our own project entirely?
With a special focus on BIPOC, LGBTQ+, and labor movements and other people's movements (including Autistic movements).
Would have an extensive Spanish section that stakes from EcuRed (Cuba's Wikipedia).