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Disneyland's parking structures (highlighted in red) (programming.dev)
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I haven't done any technical calculations. On a quick glance I'd say all of this parking is about half the size of the park itself. Very little parking inside the main park boundaries, which is mostly for service vehicles (these spaces aren't highlighted).

Just something I was curious about, it's wild how much we accommodate, and how much space we waste, for cars.

Edit: not shown is the large lot southeast of the park. It is about three times the size of the lot to the southwest. There are other lots further outside the picture that add additional parking space not shown. Thanks to RvTV95XBeo for pointing this out.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That is huge but if I’m being honest I thought it would be bigger.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A real eye opener here is that Disneyland is only around 2000 feet, or 6 and a half average-ish city blocks, wide. But it feels much larger because all the paths are deliberately designed to be meandering and there's no way to just walk straight across it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

The design of Disneyland is astonishing to be fair, how everything is cleverly hidden away, all the forced perspective and general systems in place.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

It is. The largest lot is cut off this map, to the southeast of the park.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It’s impressive how much “public” transit they have in place for getting people into and out of the park (almost as if spending some money on public transit pays massive dividends). Even then, they still have to put people’s cars somewhere.

Disney World in Florida goes to greater lengths obscuring and spreading out how much parking fills up the park. It’s design is also a lot less confined by urban boundaries than Disneyland.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You missed the biggest lot - Toy Story Lot, Southeast of the park

Also, the employee parking garage (just south of your northern-most lot), and the employee parking lot across Ball Road (north off the map). Gotta zoom out to even see it all.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

You’re right, including that lot would have been a considerable difference in overall parking capacity. Even with the lots highlighted there’s still a tremendous amount of pavement.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

we need a shuttle from disneyland to the anahiem HSR station when it's built

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Remember, we’re in the Itchy lot.

[–] djsaskdja 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Most of the guests are coming from outside the city/state. Unless we built a national high speed railway, I don’t see how this could be avoided.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Shuttle/train from the airport? Doesn’t seem too difficult to solve honestly.

[–] djsaskdja 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Flying commercial has a larger carbon footprint than just driving a car.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anyone coming from out of country is probably flying, which is a significant amount. Anyone coming from the eastern half of the continent is probably too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

A quick check found some (admittedly dubious) stats claiming 71% of visitors are from in-country, presumably meaning 29% are not. Can't really be bothered to check further.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Depends on the number of people in the car.

Now this is just fuel burn but the MPG required of the car is listed below. Average commercial jet gets 58mpg per person, which interestingly is better then my bike by 3.

1 person - 58mpg
2 people - 29mpg
3 people - 19mpg
4 people - 14mpg

I've heard conflicting data on the makeup of the gasses coming out of a turbine and wether it's better or worse than a car. Except for during takeoff should be an extremely lean burn that should be a very complete burn. Looks like the highest temperatures are just below the point that makes significant NOx.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Not necessarily. Depends on several factors like the vehicle, distance, number of passengers, etc. In some cases flying can be a better option.

But really, I wasn’t endorsing flying, it’s just that for many people coming from out of state, that will be their method of transit. Enabling them to get to their destination without driving is still an improvement.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're forgetting to account for the other parts of the vacation experience. Hotels, restaurants, and other tourist attractions. While you can probably fulfill this with various forms of public transit, a lot of this would require undoing decades of car centric city design. From the perspective of a park, parking lots are a much simpler (though unpleasant) solution.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Fair point. But I still think that would be doable. Might take some time. Odious as parking lots are, they aren’t the worst aspect of cars on cities, so I don’t mind if we wait to eliminate them until other alternatives are present.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why not build hotels at the park? Then all you need is the Disney line from the airport.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Not sure if this was a satirical comment, but there are hotels at the park.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

By the time they do this say to LAX, we will all be dead...purple line extension that goes barely 10 miles started back in 2017 and its still going today 2023...thats like a year per mile if they trying to get it done by 2026 olympics...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But you're forgetting that this would be a private company not a government. Disney doesn't have to answer to voters and other corporate interests. They just convince their board of directors it's a good idea then the checks are written and mickey construction gets to work.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I dont think even they are powerful enough to extend the local train all the way to the airport...but i could be wrong as a private company is trying to build a high speed line from vegas to socal...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm surprised they don't build structures over the parking lots. Or are these all multi-story parking structures already?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Top left by the Rise of the Resistance ride is a massive multistory parking structure where most guests park and ride a short tram to the apron between Disneyland and California Adventure.

Much of the ground level only parking lots are for employee parking or simply overflow on peak days.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Parking Land could be it's own theme park.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Disney and rocky mountain national Park both have they same feel to me when you drive up. The widest road you've ever seen leading to a toll booth and a parking lot. It just makes you wonder if there might be a more efficient way to move people.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You're missing 2 more lots!

On the opposite side of the Harbor and Ball Rd. intersection there's another parking lot. This is "Ball Lot" and is used by employees. Employees need a shuttle to get to work.

Further down Katella, across the street from the convention center, there's Toy Story/"K Lot", which is a combination parking lot for guests and more employee parking. This is the largest parking lot of them all, taking up an entire city block.

The lot you've marked across from House of Blues is indeed a Disney lot but it is rarely used. Additionally, the "lot" you've marked inside California Adventure isn't a "real" parking lot - just a place for storage of maintenance trucks and stuff that rarely leaves the bounds of the park. If you're counting those, there's a lot more area you should count (all of the outside of Indiana Jones/Haunted Mansion, everything from the backside of Space Mountain to Main Street). There's also a parking garage just below the spot you've marked in Team Disney Anaheim - that gray structure to the south of the parking lot is a parking garage for corporate folks that have their office behind the park.

(I used to work at Disneyland.)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

One thing that I'm waiting to see happen is a mass transit line from Disneyland to ARTIC, especially when ARTIC gets connected to California's High Speed Rail.

It probably won't without a push from someone, but the region seems ready for a line from Disneyland through the Anaheim Convention Center, ARTIC, and up to the stadiums.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Make an update post including the southern parking lots. Include The convention center since it's on the same vicinity.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Not my heckin' Disneyland!