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I've been on Wayland for the past two years exclusively (Nvidia).

I thought it was okay for the most part but then I had to switch to an X session recently. The experience felt about the same. Out of curiosity, I played a couple of games and realized they worked much better. Steam doesn't go nuts either.

Made me think maybe people aren't actually adopting it that aggressively despite the constant coverage in the community. And that maybe I should just go back.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I can't use Wayland until this xwayland Nvidia bug is fixed, which is a shame because I think that's the last thing holding Nvidia users back. I tried the new Plasma 6 recently and for the most part it was great until I tried gaming and hit that bug. I tried different older and newer beta driver versions but it was more or less the same bug.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Cinnamon user here. Would love to try it when they get keyboard layouts figured out.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

I've been using it on Ubuntu 22.04 for almost 2 years. It started off rocky, with frequent restarts needed, maybe every week or two. It's been pretty solid, though I did give up on using it for screen sharing and captures, which is unfortunate timing in today's WFH world.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I have very recently after rallying against it for years. It seems like there has been a concentrated effort lately to get it working really well, which I only have to say "about damn time" after they've been advocating it for over a decade and it still was a buggy pile of garbage at that point. Plasma seems to have done a load of work getting Wayland stable lately, and with the latest Plasma6, I'm happy with it. There's some weirdness here and there but I can handle a little bit of problems vs. my entire system slowing to a crawl and then crashing after a day or two reliably when running Wayland vs. Xorg which ran fine even semi-recently.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Interested to hear you use it with Nvidia - I was led to understand it didn't play well with Nvidia.

I'm going to give it a try and see how it goes with my card.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I’m holding out for xscreensaver support

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Switched like a year ago or so, not really any difference on my AMD pc and Intel laptop. Now I need wayland for HDR on Plasma 6 so there's no way I could go back personally, as well as the great multi-monitor and fractional scaling handling.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Yes, for over a year now (since early December 2022, don't remember the exact date).

My experiences with it seem to constantly be different than that of most users, because Wayland was a direct upgrade for me - I couldn't play games properly on X11 at all because they would stutter and freeze really badly even when Vsync was disabled and the game reported to be running at 60 FPS, but Wayland fixed the issue altogether for me.

...Granted, I'm on an AMD card. If I was on Nvidia it'd probably be another story entirely. :x

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

been using it since i switched to amd.

been using it for even longer on my intel gpu laptop.

nvidia has been holsing it over for a decade at this point.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I used Wayland for a couple years on AMD hardware and it was fine; I didn't really have any issues. Since acquiring a laptop with an Nvidia card as a gift about a year agi (it was a hand-me-down), I switched to X11 because it is still more stable for Nvidia. I will be switching back to Wayland (with Nvidia) when Fedora 40 releases. Hopefully the support for explicit sync patch will be available by that time, but if not I won't be heavily affected, as I am not playing games currently. I expect that patch to fix the black frame insertion during VRR that people have been complaining about, at which point Nvidia will be viable (for me) on Wayland.

I've been on the Wayland train for quite some time now, it's only really had issues with Nvidia because Nvidia refuses to adapt their graphics driver for it. We have to rely on the Wayland and XWayland projects to fix the incompatibilities that Nvidia is too lazy to fix themselves (like not supporting implicit sync). Luckily AMD is on top of things and has worked very well with Wayland for years now, so those with AMD hardware are better off.

EDIT: Here's a link to a Lemmy post about the explicit sync patch. Looks like Nvidia drivers plan to support it in the May 15th patch, so about a month after Fedora 40 releases.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

I have used it for almost 3 years, no serious issues here.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

About 2 years ago when fractional scaling got good in kde. X just blurred the shit out of everything else. Pretty happy on wayland!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

As soon as it works. A recent update included Plasma 6.0.2 (on NixOS unstable/24.05) which apparently defaults to wayland, but it just exits to login right away. I'm not in a mood to tinker, so for now I plan to simply wait for things to Just Work. When I select "wayland" and things work and look the same (or better) is when I'm happy to rid myself of the horror that is X11, because as horrible as X11 is, it simply isn't giving me trouble these days - my system is stable and I like keeping it that way.

Edit: perhaps important to mention that I'm using a GTX 1070.

Edit 2: I realise that I'm sort of contradicting myself with how I worded the above. I don't mean to imply that I'm not willing to sacrifice anything to embrace Wayland; just that as it stands I don't think the benefits of Wayland outweighs my ability to use this computer the way I need to.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Zero issues for me. Been daily driving it for years. Play Steam games regularly, but have not tried switching to X. Performance on Windows is MUCH better with my 1080ti playing D4, but I'm prefectly content with preformance on Linux and don't want to keep switching.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Essentially since I switched to AMD almost a year ago, and I switched so I could use wayland with freesync lol

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Yes, on fedora for 2 years. Using integrated amd

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

When it is ready and passes black screen or can use hardware acceleration without crashing compositor, I'll use wayland

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

I use xmonad/xfce which is not available on wayland, and I have no real desire to research alternatives and config them/learn their keyboard shortcuts/etc. Its unclear to me what the benefit is from switching, from a UI perspective. Probably nothing.

But I'll probably give it a try anyway in a few months maybe, I hear they merged something to make nvidia less glitchy, so maybe wait for that to be in my distro.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I wanted to love Wayland but the fact is half of the apps I use are either too small in the UI or too blurry when scaled up. Until that’s fixed I’m staying on x11 begrudgingly.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I have these exact same issues with wayland on KDE.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I think about a year when I switched to it to see how it was and then forgot I had.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I daily drive a ThinkPad for work running Wayland. I have one occasional problem with a commercial application that I suspect is related but I haven't bothered to prove it since it's so infrequent. Otherwise, rock solid experience for the last year since I was given the machine.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I've been using wayland almost exclusively since 2020 because x-org doesn't support multi refresh rate setups and it was driving me nuts to have everything run at 60hz. It's been pretty smooth sailing because I use an AMD gpu. I have to admit that steam is indeed a lot buggier under wayland, I try to use gamescope for every game as that fixes most problems I have with them. My hope is that proton will use wayland for most games by the end of this or next year.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

My Thinkpad touchscreens were useless until I switched to wayland.

The only drawback is I have to manually edit the qgis desktop file to start qgis with x11 instead of Wayland. I had to do the same to a couple other random experimental apps, too.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I've been on Wayland (Hyprland) for 8 months, unfortunately on Nvidia.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I have been running wayland with sway for around 6-10 months (I forget when I switched). I have a 4-monitor setup and hated the default workspace management but swaysome convinced me to switch. I heard a lot of stuff about how manual tiling is bad but I actually don't mind it and kind of prefer it to automatic tiling from AwesomeWM which I used before sway, .

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I do, but I have to switch to X11 for work. I log in using VMWare Horizon Client, which technically works on Wayland, except that keyboard shortcuts and keys like Meta are caught by my desktop.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

When? Since Ubuntu made it the default for non Nvidia PCs

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I switched from i3 to sway about 3(ish?) years ago now and haven't looked back. I've had very few issues with it and frankly it's been solid for me

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Switched over to wayland about 4-5 years ago, have run into a couple of problems dealing with theming, fractional scaling and of course nvidia, but on the whole my experience has been without major issues.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Debian 12 Stable GNOME Wayland. Wayland still needs work, but is slowly fleshing out well.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

In 2017 I bought a ThinkPad with a hidpi screen, which I knew would give me trouble with Linux. Fortunately the Fedora 26 beta had just been released and was using Wayland by default (I wasn't very Linux savvy to do it myself yet). I've been using Wayland on Fedora ever since without issue.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

@headroom Wayland has been my daily for almost a year-and-a-half, most of that on Intel/Nvidia hybrid gpus. I used to use XFCE but switched to Plasma in anticipation of the Landing of Way.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Whenever X doesn’t work for me. I’ve never had an issue.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

I'll adopt it when it becomes Linux Mint's default

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