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Looks like KBin has an edge over Lemmy now in terms of monthly active users.

It's obviously a pretty silly thing, and is not in any way indicative of which project is "better" or more "long-term viable" or anything — instances of both federate with one another, and with the rest of fedi, so it's all one happy family.

That said, it's notable. KBin is a relative newcomer to the "Reddit-like fedi instance" game, and also does not have the tankie baggage.

Anyway, the more, the merrier!

KBin: https://the-federation.info/platform/184

Lemmy: https://the-federation.info/platform/73

Discussion on fedi: https://mstdn.social/@rysiek/110527049024028986

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Great news to me I'm not "pro-lemmy", I am "anti-reddit".

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same! I use a Lemmy instance myself. I'm just happy to see there is diversity in terms of software projects in the Threadiverse.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"Threadiverse" -- i really like that :)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wish I came up wit it myself! Sadly no, noticed it in a few threads over the last few days.

Humans are amazing.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That mstdn.social and the whole "lemmy = tankie" (whatever the fuck that means) is doing a disservice to the whole unreddit movement. I have seen plenty of discussion on reddit now of people not leaving because of these posts..

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

I did not say "lemmy = tankie", I said Lemmy has certain tankie baggage, and that is in fact true. The developers are pretty clearly tankies, they also run a strictly tankie instance (Lemmygrad; many Lemmy instances do not federate with it).

Pretending this is not the case is not going to help in the long run. It might slow down the "unreddit" movement now, but I'd wager a bet it will make it more long-term viable and resilient, if people understand that choice of instance is important (there are quite a few great Lemmy instances that I would recommend wholeheartidly, like BeeHaw), and that there are alternative, independent implementations on Threadiverse (like Kbin).

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I can understand where mstdn.social is coming from and it is an "uneasy" situation. But the fact is that you have a choice here in which with whom you communicate.

The irony though of Reddit discussing to stay on Reddit and actually comply with the Autocratic leadership it has.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don't really care. I'm on Lemmy but fuck it, as long as it gets people off Reddit, competition can be a good thing in this space.

Metallica and Megadeth are historically successful bands, but Metallica would have never made it if Mustaine stayed.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

competition can be a good thing in this space.

Absolutely, that's why I am celebrating Kbin existing and being used.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

As I understand both make the greater platform bigger, more Kbin users means more Lemmy content as well.

Imagine competition being mutually beneficial!

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Personally, I'm loyal to Beehaw. I like the culture that it is trying to grow. But I like how I can subscribe to things outside of beehaw as long the instance has federation enabled.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't like that beehaw doesn't allow community creation (or nsfw).

Is kbin also part of the fediverse? Can you interact with kbin from lemmy, and how is it different?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can someone explain the "tankie" baggage? I've seen it thrown around quite a bit but no one seems to explain it in detail.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

(Some) Lemmy devs seem to have political ideologies that are within the "tankie" settings. That's mostly it. Some people express they feel uncomfortable about it. Such devs hold an instance separate from the flagship instance (lemmygrad.ml), which in my opinion is not bad at all, I think it's better they keep them to themselves giving an option to other instances to block it. They're not trying to shove tankies ideas down anyones throats or anything.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

That's true and I added it later by an edit in my original post which appears not to have synchronized to Beehaw yet. I wholeheartedly agree with the final paragraph of that post.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

in the short term we have a few upcoming critical mod tool launches we need to nail

Umm, you really should have launched this before shutting down the current tools mods use.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

If I were to switch from Lemmy to KBin (or vice versa), would I have to start over (e.g. create a new account there and lose all my comments etc.)? Or would it be possible to “migrate”?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

For now, you would have to lost everything and create a new account. But maybe we'll see a solution for it coming

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What are the pros and cons of one platform over the other? Is KBin just Lemmy+Mastodon? Can Lemmy see KBin magazines?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yep, thread based communities are shared perfectly between Lemmy and kbin. Other than currently the largest kbin community is having federation issues due to the influx of users

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So does that mean that any thread in the fediverse can be shared together? Or is kbin another Lemmy instance? I thought we could only look at other Lemmy instances.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is great. It suddenly feels like the internet of 2003 again, with small communities popping up, competition and less of a corporate chokehold. Only this time they have a shared login and crosstalk, which was sorely lacking back then. If we are lucky this event might establish a stable, new part of the internet, which is separate from the consolidated platforms. The Fediverse doesn't have to replace sites like reddit, just be a next step for people fed up with the corporate net (corponet?).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is actually more like a return to the 90s of Usenet and mailing lists imho.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

Sorry guys, kbin is built on PHP.

So even if it did succeed, it won't be for long.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I know this is a joke, but not only is KBin built on PHP, but so are Facebook, Pornhub, and Wikipedia.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If history has taught me anything - I would say that means that kbin will persist forever.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean, almost half of all the websites on the internet is built on WordPress, so maybe you're onto something here...

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let’s not hate on tools. Php has its uses and has been proven to be useful in commercial applications. So has Rust. They are different but the choice of programming language means nothing for the core project.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I, too, can use a banana to hammer in a nail

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can I use kbin to read Lemmy content?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. Check out the biggest currently active instance of Kbin, https://fedia.io/ — plenty of stuff from Lemmy instances.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

What I don't understand is why there are SO many missing comments when reading threads in one instance from another instance. For example, the top "Hot" post on Fedia right now is a post about community fragmentation on Lemmy. When viewed from Fedia, it has 8 comments, but when view within the source Lemmy instance, it has 40.

This is an issue I've seen in every instance on both Lemmy and KBin and it's a huge issue. One of the main reasons I joined the Beehaw instance, since it seems less affected. In fact, Beehaw shows more comments than even the NATIVE Lemmy instance, at 57!

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I tried kbin but it currently slow as hell at least for me. It definitely is more inviting with its design though.

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