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Javascript can create atomic bombs (programming.dev)
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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This makes absolutely no sense. Front ends that include JavaScript still use css.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Maybe, but they don't need to. You could write an HTML styling engine in JS if you wanted to.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

sometimes

Personally I hate CSS and the last several websites I created had plenty of JS.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago

Problem: Oppenheimer, unlike JavaScript, was actually competent.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

Would be funnier if it was just “JS” on the right, because obviously HTML and CSS are involved too, but JS is where all hell breaks loose

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mid 90s HTML pre CSS:

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Now it's: I AM THE FLEXBOX!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

bro we're on css grid now

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Around flexbox is when I stopped caring about CSS, so it's the last one I know. Is the grid better?

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

If you've seen the Barbie movie, there's a scene where America Ferrera rants about the paradoxes in the expectations on women. The whole "be strong but not pushy" thing.

That's CSS.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait, I'm CSS?

I don't get it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

CSS is coloring and styling in programming, Ma'am.. It fits to describe the Barbie movie because of its vibrant colors

JS is about logic and calculations.. More like science in Oppenheimer

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

But I'm not cascading though...

Not normally, anyways. 💖

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll have you know that CSS is Turing complete

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Ah, so that's not Peaky Blinders.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (10 children) 
var bomb = []
for(var i = 0; i === -1; i++){
  bomb.push(i)
}
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (8 children)

How many people who post JS BAD memes could provide a single example of why it's bad without looking it up?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It was made in 10 days, its type system is a mess, its syntactic shit, and there are just better replacements out there that will never see the light of day due to how big its already gotten

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Coming from other languages I find the async by default thing annoying but I fully understand it's necessary for web sites to render in real time.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) 
<span>Please enable JavaScript to use this app</span>
document.getElementById("noscript").style.display = 'none';document.getElementById("noscript-info-with-bold-text").style.fontWeight = 'bold';document.getElementById("status__content__text").textContent="JS ecosystem is all hack upon hack upon hack upon hack. We love hacks, but don't want to relay on them to access my bank or watch a movie. Just send me a webpage, not a soup of obfuscated, impossible to edit scripts that assemble god sake app. That's the reason we can't have new browser engines anymore, try to disable one wrong thing and whole app breaks. Browsers are made as interactive documents viewers, not disposable operating systems.";
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I use it regularly (web dev). A lot of complaints and mockery stems from using it badly. None of the programming languages that are regularly the butt of everyone's jokes force you to use them badly, they just allow you to. If you follow good practices, you'll be just fine.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Many of the programming languages that are regularly the butt of everyone's jokes don't just allow you to use them badly, they make it easy to do so, sometimes easier than using them well.
This is not a good thing. A good language should

  • be well suited to the task at hand
  • be easy to use correctly
  • be hard to use incorrectly

The reality is that the average software developer barely knows best practices, much less how to apply them effectively.
This fact, combined with languages that make it easy to shoot yourself in the foot leads to lots of bad code in the wild.

Tangentially related rant
We should attack this problem from both directions: improve developers but also improve languages.
Sometimes that means replacing them with new languages that are designed on top of years of knowledge that we didn't have when these old languages were being designed.

There seems to be a certain cynicism (especially from some more senior developers) about new languages.
I've heard stuff like: every other day a new programming language is invented, it's all just a fad, they add nothing new, all the existing languages could already do all the things the new ones can, etc.
To me this misses the point. New languages have the advantage of years of knowledge accrued in the industry along with general technological advancements, allowing them to be safer, more ergonomic, and more efficient.
Sure, we can also improve existing languages (and should, and do) but often times for one reason or another (backwards compatibility, implementation effort, the wider technological ecosystem, dogma, politics, etc.) old quirks and deficiencies stay.

Even for experienced developers who know how to use their language of choice well, there can be unnecessary cognitive burden caused by poor language design. The more your language helps you automatically avoid mistakes, the more you can focus on actually developing software.

We should embrace new languages when they lead to more good code and less bad code.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
  • be easy to use correctly
  • be hard to use incorrectly

C++ has entered the chat

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The meme was not about bad or good.. It's about Colors (CSS = Barbie), and Complexity (JS = Oppenheimer)

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