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I couldn't remember what "phatic" meant so I looked it up. And then I found a NYT article that I really liked.

Phatic expression

In linguistics, a phatic expression (English: FAT-ik) is a communication which primarily serves to establish or maintain social relationships.


archive.today • Hihowareya? We Asked, and You Answered - The New York Times

By Emily S. Rueb

May 24, 2010

When you ask someone "how are you," do you really care?

As Jennifer Seager wrote in this weekend's Complaint Box in the Metropolitan section, people don't.

"Where was I on the day that "hihowareya" became one long word devoid of meaning? I must be asked at least 10 times a day how I am, but I have yet to find one person who actually wants to know. This drives me absolutely crazy."

"I had not realized how much the pointlessness of this much-repeated phrase annoyed me until last summer," she wrote, "when I came upon a lady on the street who was walking with her head down. As we approached each other, she suddenly looked up and asked 'Hihowareya?' I was pleasantly surprised by this sudden inquiry about my well-being. But before my brain could conjure up an answer, she had walked right on by."

It's a strangely meaningless gesture that one should never extend during a time of grieving or sickness, but many readers sought to ascribe a deeper meaning to this seemingly innocuous phrase.

Anyone who has learned a Romance language knows that this greeting has a textbook reply, but Americans have yet to adopt a uniform response, which drives English scholars and protectors of the language mad. The response should be "very well, thank you." But others say it's a vestige of a bygone era, when men wore bowler caps and ladies carried dainty umbrellas to shield their delicate skin from the sun's rays. But like many of these dressed-up customs and traditions in our culture, "How do you do?" has come to be like a silent consonant in our loud vernacular.

But maybe it's a geographic thing, as a few Texans suggested. Away from the coasts, they say, the gesture is accepted with grace and aplomb. It's also very American. One reader pointed out that in Chinese, a common way of saying hello is to ask if you've eaten. But you're not expected to answer.

Still, the greeting is a ritual courtesy. "It's not designed to elicit your true state of mind or body, in which nobody but friends and family (and not always them) is interested," wrote SKV. "The response is, 'Finehowryou?' and you don't have to wait for details."

Here, unedited, are several comments we especially liked:

An Invitation

I always take the question at face value and give a hearty but polite assessment of my current state of being. Then I return the question, and nearly every person responds with their own self-report, old guys with ironed-in frowns being the chief exception. Such exchanges always make me feel good. Courtesy isn't dead, exactly, just in hiding, waiting for an invitation.

I may sound pollyanna. Wrong. I'm a cynical ad copywriter. But a world of people is what I've got, so I make the best of it.

— J

Goodnyou

The answer to "Hihowareya?" is "Goodnyou?"

No need to work yourself into a snit about it.

— Kimiko

Phatic Communication

The author is describing what linguists classify as "phatic communication" or "small talk." No need to get upset. It's a way of greeting each other. Perhaps the best response is "Do you really want to know?" If the answer is yes, then the conversation can become "emphatic."

— T.G.

A Harmless Greeting

I'm with #16 — while the perso asking may not really care about my answer, I do appreciate the acknowledgment that someone other than them exists.

We walk about NY everyday whipping right by people who could – if we stopped for one second – end up being good friends, colleagues, old school friends, etc etc.

If someone considers saying the short "hihowareya", I'm okay with that — it creates a split second connection that could do a lot of people a lot of good.

— Nas

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The answer to "Hihowareya?" is "Goodnyou?" No need to work yourself into a snit about it. — Kimiko

I think it's really interesting how there is a significant and very vocal cadre of people who take a weirdly harsh stance against the questioning of phatic communication. It so aggressively echoes the "just be normal" sentiment that you see so often with bigotry (especially internalised bigotry) around neurodivergence. There's no need to be mad that people are harmlessly wondering about something pointless that's accepted as a societal default, so why are you so frustrated? Could it be there's a load-bearing coping mechanism you're afraid to let anyone near?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I have a strong memory of my liberal-conservative (like a Canadian conservative who knows it's impolite to hold and share chuddy values) uncle being insistent and annoyed that people take hihowareyou as an inventation to share their feeling because in his words he doesn't really care. He can a nice guy, but not emotionally available at all.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I do care, but everyone is conditioned to just respond "good". I should figure out how to ask in a novel enough way that people don't reflexively answer.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

“You get much sleep last night?”

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

How are the institutions treating you?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Have you heard of the high elves ?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I care when I ask, and I usually answer honestly. Phatic communication is annoying to me as an autistic person. Abolish it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Yeah. I dont use it to say hello. When I get asked "How are you" I will give you a status report of my current well being. How I feel on a scale from 1 to 10 so to speak. I honestly want to know if for some reason you dont feel well. If I ask my buddy "how are you" he usually tells me about lack of sleep or some work stuff that bothers him.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

I simply never ask this. Outside of stupid smalltalk that normals start, if I'm wanting to know how somebody is, I'm asking something more specific about them.

Death to smalltalk, fuck whoever invented it

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

People are so weird. As in the people who obsess over this. I and most of the people I know just use this and similar phrases as greetings.

“What’s up man?”

“Not much”

The equivalent of saying hello. And then we keep talking about whatever. Not a big deal.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

People are so weird.

Yeah questioning social norms that dont make sense is kind of a ND thing so maybe dont say this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

the only time i had problems with this was when i went to another country (the US) and had to learn a new set of these expressions

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Yes.... I just take it somewhat literally... if anyone were to take it only by its connotation, it would just seem awkward to me

I just say "So, how are you doin'?"

I find it funny and baby-brained for some to argue on this. Yk, it depends on your mileage, and to argue on this feels as ridiculous like this video

It's just simple as.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I always go out of my way to give an answer that's a little more thoughtful and honest than the standard. I mean, I'm not gonna trauma dump on a random stranger, but to me, saying "good and you" without thinking about it is dismissive - conversations demand the mental participation of those involved, not just reflexive actions, and if you don't want to put in the effort that's fine we can sit in silence because there's no point in pretending we're talking to each other if we're not.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I just respond with the ol' negative-sounding grunt. Same amount of meaning, less effort.