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Edit: Damn, did not expect this to turn into today’s struggle sesh.

Here’s my both sides/both sides take. Should people be executed for drawing, publishing or showing hateful cartoons? Probably not.

What grosses me out is how Enlightened Secular France has spent centuries colonizing and brutalizing muslims and continues to oppress them with discriminatory laws while acting like the entire point of Free Speech TM is the right to degrade a profoundly marginalized minority.

As someone brought up in this thread, the whole Mohammad cartoon controversy reminds me of the perennial debate “why would a black person get violent if you call them the n-word, it’s just a word.” Context matters, when you purposely provoke an oppressed minority by shoving the thing they find most offensive in their face, you may get a violent reaction.

I don’t think this guy deserves to die at all, but Charlie Hebdo is very racist and it’s gross how people rally around it like it’s this bastion of free speech.

That said, death to A Wyatt Mann. Inshallah.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 years ago (1 children)

I get that it's supposed to be a demonstration of liberal values, but shouldn't they demonstrate free speech in a way that makes it look good? The message here seems to be, "We love liberal values because it lets us be rude to minorities."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 years ago (1 children)

Ideally, but given the murders were done over these cartoons...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 years ago (1 children)

Shit take. If I make a tasteless joke and someone punches me in the mouth, they're (arguably) wrong to escalate into violence. But this doesn't somehow make it all right for me to be rude to all the other people who are upset with the joke but otherwise peaceful.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 years ago (1 children)

A tasteless joke in who's opinion? I'm sure you wouldn't be saying it's righteous if some white supremacist punched you in the face for making a joke about white people. Their white supremacist beliefs are rooted into the same thing as islam, and all religions. The common ground between them is that they're all based on absolutely nothing objective.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

"You care about this? LET ME USE IT TO WIPE MY ASS!!!" is an objectively tasteless joke.

"Lol. Muhammad GAY!!!" is an objectively tasteless joke.