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Have you notice how the general opinion is that people getting hit by cars somehow deserved it? My best friend was hit by a text-and-drive kindof woman. He was an athlete and now he can't walk more than a few hundred meters.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I think you've gone off the rails a bit. This could have been an interesting retrospective about how jaywalking actually became criminalized, for example.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

We just legalized jaywalking here in California and it's suuuuper convenient. They should legalize it everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

They always miss that part

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

It's the same principle. It's the idea that the flow of traffic must go on and that people convenience are more important than anything else - climate, public spaces, pollution, freedom to use the vehicle you want, even people's life.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 8 months ago (11 children)

No, I haven't heard this "general opinion". Any conversation I've been a part of or observed (which, to be fair, is less than a few dozen) has always defaulted to the driver being at fault.

I'm not sure where you live that the general opinion is victim blaming, but it doesn't sound like a pleasant place.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (7 children)

My policy is: if you are weaker, you have to be extra carefull and give way to the others.

Usually in this order: pedestrian < bicycle < motorcycle < car < truck

This has served me well. No reason to risk your life in competing even if you are in the right. Being in the right serves you nothing when you're dead.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago

Yes, everyone should take precautions to keep themselves safe. Everyone should also advocate for safer roads and stiff penalties for vehicular violence.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago (2 children)

You must always exercise safety and pragmatism, but that doesn't mean that the "stronger" vehicle deserves the right of way more. I'd argue that the more dangerous the vehicle is, the greater the obligation to operate it with care and due regard for others.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

I think both are true.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 months ago

I mean, it makes sense from a self-preservation point of view. Too many are upholding this exact policy while driving though, which is what I'm pointing out. One could argue that the heavier / more dangerous you are, the more careful you want to be as well.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

Being in the right serves you nothing when you're dead.

My Dad taught me this concept at a young. He called it being "dead right".

Yes you're right, yes they're in the wrong. You're still dead.

So don't worry about other people doing it right, worry about yourself and your own safety.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

In the ocean, this is called the law of gross tonnage. Don't count on the tanker yielding to your sailboat.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"I had the right of way" makes a terrible headstone slogan.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What about "I almost run over a cyclist so he attacked me with a hammer?". One can only be so tolerant toward the constant threat of vehicular assault.

Hell I almost got ran over by some bitch a couple of days ago while walking on the sidewalk.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I'm not saying or suggesting that it's a pedestrian, cyclist, driver, or anyone else's sole responsibility to stay safe. In fact, I strongly believe the "stronger" party has an outsized responsibility to make sure they act safely and not endanger other road users.

All I'm advocating for is for all participants to be vigilant and not assume right of way will be honored by the other party.

Ultimately, only you can keep you safe. Don't assume anyone is flawless. Regardless of where you are driving a car, walking, cycling, etc. people can and will make mistakes, miss something, or forget to check.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

Exactly. laws are not armour. They are simply a deterrent at best.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Ya know it’s not that anyone “deserves” to get hit by a car. I will say there are definitely circumstances I’ve seen where it was an incredibly predictable outcome

Standing in a parking lot and get hit? Drivers fault.

Sprinting across four lanes of traffic on a busy street in rush hour, at dusk, in black clothing? I mean… still the drivers fault technically, but cmon.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm not talking about people who throw themselves under wheel. I'm talking about legitimately crossing the street at a stop and some asshole honks you or attacks you for being in the way. There seems to be a general consensus that traffic flow is more important than people's life. Just see how many were begging for protesters to get run over, on reddit for example.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (22 children)

I've never seen people supporting a driver for honking or attacking someone who was legitimately crossing the street...

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

My ex girlfriend was like that. There was this piece of road when entering the city where pedestrians could cross the road. It was symbolised by some waves on the road (because it was over a bridge that's why i guess) my girlfriend would always yell at me or the pedestrians that we (in the car) come first. I don't know how true that was, she said she asked someone. And the conversation was always that i don't care, because i'm not running over people.
She would always accelerate or honk or yell out of the window. Congratulations, now you sit over there in traffic instead of back here. And you only had to endanger 10 people

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

:s I hope she calmed down. Even for herself I guess it shouldn't be good for blood pressure

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Hey I am a Dreamy Pedestrian. Should I be scared?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

Yes. Always look left and right before crossing the street <3

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Are you vague? Too vague, even?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I am so sorry for your friend.

Too many people live in la-la-it-cant-happen-to-me-land and take that attitude with them behind the wheel. I think that to qualify for a drivers license one should be required to watch car crash footage and see pictures of the aftermath like you do in a good forklift safety video, because people really do not understand the relative forces involved with moving at a high rate of speed.

Does it look like your friend will ever recover his mobility?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

I dont like to swear on this platform but holy shit! That goes hard!

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It's weird that I can't tell which side this is advocating for

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Why does there need to be one clear side?

It's not like there aren't total idiots both inside and outside of cars.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)
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