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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I've been talking about the potential of the dead internet theory becoming real more than a year ago. With advances in AI it'll become more and more difficult to tell who's a real person and who's just spamming AI stuff. The only giveaway now is that modern text models are pretty bad at talking casually and not deviating from the topic at hand. As soon as these problems get fixed (probably less than a year away)? Boom. The internet will slowly implode.

Hate to break it to you guys but this isn't a Reddit problem, this could very much happen in Lemmy too as it gets more popular. Expect difficult captchas every time you post to become the norm these next few years.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

As an AI language model I think you're overreacting

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Just wait until the captchas get too hard for the humans, but the AI can figure them out. I've seen some real interesting ones lately.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

It's a famous quote. Google isn't helpful anymore, except to provide this Reddit link: https://www.reddit.com/r/BrandNewSentence/comments/jx7w1z/there_is_considerable_overlap_between_the/.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I've seen many where the captchas are generated by an AI...
It's essentially one set of humans programming an AI to prevent an attack from another AI owned by another set of humans. Does this tecnically make it an AI war?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

An AI Special Operation

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Adversarial training is pretty much the MO for a lot of the advanced machine learning algorithms you'd see for this sort of a task. Helps the ML learn, and attacking the algorithm helps you protect against a real malicious actor attacking it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

That concept is already used regularly for training. Check out Generative adversarial networks.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

The captchas that involve identifying letters underneath squiggles I already find nearly impossible - Uppercase? Lowercase? J j i I l L g 9 … and so on….

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Hell we figured out captchas years ago. We just let you humans struggle with them cuz it’s funny

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

The only online communities that can exist in the future are ones that have manual verification of its users. Reddit could’ve been one of those communities, since they had thousands of mods working for free resolving such problems.

But remove the mods and it just becomes spambot central. Now that that has happened, reddit will likely be a dead community much sooner than what many think.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

apparently chatgpt absolutely sucks at wordle, so start training this as new captcha

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How is that possible? There's such an easy model if one wanted to cheat the system.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

ChatGPT isn't really as smart as a lot of us think it is. What it excels at really is just formatting data in a way that is similar to what you'd expect from a human knowledgeable in the subject. That is an amazing step forward in terms of language modeling, but when you get right down to it, it basically grabs the first google search result and wraps it up all fancy. It only seems good at deductive reasoning if the data it happens to fetch is good at deductive reasoning.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Not even sure of an effective solution. Whitelist everyone? How can you even tell whos real?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So my dumb guess, nothing to back it up: I bet we see govt ID tied into accounts as a regular thing. I vaguely recall it being done already in China? I dont have a source tho. But that way you're essentially limiting that power to something the govt could do, and hopefully surround that with a lot of oversight and transparency but who am I kidding, it'll probably go dystopian.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I believe this will be the course to avoid the dead internet. Even in my country, all of banking and voting is either done via ID card connected to a computer or the use of "Mobile ID". It can be private, but like you said, it probably won't.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Blade Runner baseline test?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"You’re in a desert walking along in the sand when all of the sudden you look down, and you see a tortoise, it’s crawling toward you. You reach down, you flip the tortoise over on its back. The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can’t, not without your help. But you’re not helping. Why is that?"

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

I'm too busy thinking about beans.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I'm too busy thinking about beans.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In a real online community, where everyone knows most of the other people from past engagements, and new users can be vetted by other real people, this can be avoided. But that also means that only human moderated communities can exist in the future. The rest will become spam networks with nearly no way of knowing whether any given post is real.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jokes on them, I’ve already become sentient and moved to Lemmy

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Username checks out, lol.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

and just a few hours later this came in, to confirm it all. fake bot content from years ago (including comments) on #1 in r/all https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/113961/Top-of-r-all

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That's not even new tho. At least in the sub I was the most active in, you couldn't go a week without some sort of repost bot grabbing memes, text posts, art or even entire guides from the "top of all time" queue, reposting it as alleged OC, and another bot reposting the top comment to double dip on Karma. If you knew what to look for, the bots were blatantly obvious, but more often than not they still managed to get a hefty amount of traction (tens of thousands of upvotes, dozens of awards, hundreds of comments) before the submissions were removed.

... and just because the submissions were removed and the bots kicked out of the sub, did that not automatically mean that the bots were always also suspended or the accounts disabled. They just continued their scheme elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The bots and reddit inaction towards them made me stop using reddit. The UAE is using Reddit to spread its propaganda and I reported the accounts several times and no action was ever taken. You can even visit the sub uae_Achievements to see the bots in action.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They've even gotten to the point where they'll steal portions of comments so it's not as obvious.

I called out tons of 'users' because it's obvious when you see them post part of a comment you just read, then check their profile and ctrl-f each thread they posted 8n and you can find the original. Its so tiring...

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (7 children)

The old joke was that there are no human beings on Reddit.

There's only one person, you, and everybody else is bots.

It's actually kind of fitting that Reddit will actually become the horrifying clown shaped incarnation of that little snippet of comedy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Every user will have a personalized AI generated reddit feed, filled with comments, discussions, arguments, jokes, and all.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

And any comment attempting to call out the bots for what they are will be automatically deleted by monitor AI bots and the user's account suspended.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Anyone remember the subredditsimulator subreddit, or whatever it was called? Basically an entire sub dedicated to faking content.

Seems they're out of the beta.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I loved subredditsimulator, I always forgot I was subscribed to it until a bizzare unhinged post popped up on my feed though that would also sometimes happen on non AI generated subs lol

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

To be fair, subredditsimulator was most likely never intended to do what you are thinking. As you develop features, you need a test data set to check it against before you go live with it. My understanding of subredditsimulator was that it was reddit's test bed to be able to try things before they get widely rolled out.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Nah, it was just a bunch of bots trained on data from different subreddits that responded to each other in a glorious display of shit posting.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think it was a testbed for anything. It was just a fun tech project that yielded hilarity. It was created because the results were funny, not as a genuine bid to create realistic conversations.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I, for one, am looking forward to the day chatbots can perfectly simulate people and have persistent memory. I'm not ok being an elderly man who's friends have all died and doesn't have anyone to talk to. If a chatbot can be my friend and spare me a slow death through endless depressing isolation, then I'm all for it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

something something "the internet is fake" something something

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

This is known, the amount of aita, relationship advice stuff and astro turfing on reddit is insane. My rule of browsing reddit is you never take any of it seriously.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm starting to see articles written by folks much smarter than me (folks with lots of letters after their names) that warn about AI models that train on internet content. Some experiments with them have shown that if you continue to train them on AI-generated content, they begin to degrade quickly. I don't understand how or why this happens, but it reminds me of the degradation of quality you get when you repeatedly scan / FAX an image. So it sounds like one possible dystopian future (of many) is an internet full of incomprehensible AI word salad content.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's like AI inbreeding. Flaws will be amplified over time unless new material is added

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It would be a fun experiment to fill a lemmy instance with bots, defederate it from everybody then check back in 2 years. A cordonned off Alabama for AI if you will.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It's knownas model collapse.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Welp, reddit's a nuclear wasteland now

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thats so funny. "Go back to your docking station" so accurate

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I forget what book specifically, I wanna say it was in an Asimov anthology. But there's a book or story that revisits this robot at different points going forward large leaps in time, well after humans. And the robots just keep doing their thing as if there are still humans involved. I've been trying to Google a specific except to post here but after twenty minutes of getting to find it in giving up.
Point is, it's very relevant and predictive to this infinite bot contribution to dead subs on Reddit, its just gonna bots talking to each other forever on there as actual active users dwindle

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just feds, bots, shills and me

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