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[–] [email protected] 173 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Creates something free to use and ask for nothing in return

People complain because they have to chmod +x a Shell file

A tale as old as the internet.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (2 children)

You're giving them way too much credit, they just need to ask "Chat" how to run the code. That's how 16-20 year olds refer to ChatGPT. It's two minutes of copy paste and "how do I run this"

[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago

I’m pretty sure “chat” means Twitch chat. Streamers usually asks “chat” for questions, and teenagers have adopted this vocabulary for everyday use.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That’s how 16-20 year olds refer to ChatGPT.

As a 17 year old, I hear this for the first time.

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[–] [email protected] 135 points 9 months ago (14 children)

STUPID FUCKING SMELLY NERDS

I can kinda vibe with that. Worst I've ever seen was installation instructions posted in a Discord server.

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[–] [email protected] 133 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (11 children)

Steps to building a cool program (the really cool way)

  1. Clone the GitHub repository
  2. Open command prompt
  3. Run the build command
  4. It fails because the repository owner uses a different c++ compiler and it only works with that one
  5. It fails again, realize you installed visual studio wrong somehow so spend an hour trying to get the visual studio installer to find and uninstall it before deleting the installation directory entirely and installing the required version again
  6. It still fails, the project looks for version "" of protobuf but you have "3.1.10.1" so you reconfigure it to look for a real version of protobuf
  7. It fails again, some tool that isn't in the readme is required to build it
  8. It fails again, it's not actually compatible with windows yet
  9. Give up and wait for pre built binaries

Edit: did the other guy that responded block me? I got a notification about it but can't load the comment

[–] [email protected] 67 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hey welcome to our group session. Just know that we all have been hurt by C++ build systems and this is a safe space

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago

I feel so welcome, thank you

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[–] freamon 123 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

A meme made in response (not by me):

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[–] [email protected] 108 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I agree that github is for developers or people who at the very least don't mind learning a bit of development and getting their hands dirty. The poster demanding an exe is quite entitled - and also from what I understand the repo he is referring to is a python repo, so there normally wouldn't be an exe, it'd just be run via a python command.

There's a bigger problem here, which is that technical skill in newer generations is also decreasing - as someone on reddit had once said "I'm a millennial and I'm doing tech support for my parents as well as my children". A generation raised on tablets and phones have gotten the false impression of being tech savy, when their actual technical skill is using end products.

Expecting every github repo to provide you with something you just click-and-run is overlooking the complexities and reality of how code is. By it self that isn't a problem, but the entitlement it takes to publicly and arrogantly post that on a public forum is astounding and counter-productive to people who work on those small repos.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Nobody has any idea how old this poster is, it could be an old ass boomer as easily as it could be a zoomer and we're just going on making statements about the technical abilities of new generations without any actual evidence other than a single person that can't do something for themselves? There are many, many people from my graduating class who would be as helpless as this person and I'm fucking 30.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The same thing happened in the previous generation too. Some boomer would start raging about how these millennials don’t know how to fix cars or install toilets or whatever anymore based on one cherry picked example and the other 95% of boomers that have been paying a mechanic or a plumber this whole time and don’t know how to do shit would just nod along.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

GitHub is easy

  1. read the readme for any prerequisites

  2. follow the installation instructions

  3. forget you have the program on your computer

  4. find another neat GitHub program

  5. goto step 1

[–] [email protected] 31 points 9 months ago (1 children)
  1. try to figure out formatting on lemmy
[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  1. Never reach 6. because 5. loops back to 1.
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[–] [email protected] 70 points 9 months ago (13 children)

I'm from the 90s and early 2000s Windows days when most of my time was spent figuring things out and getting things to run

STILL don't understand what I'm supposed to do with the stuff on GitHub lmao 😂

[–] [email protected] 57 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Usually just go to the “releases” section in the right, click the latest release, and download the built executable for your system from there.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I don't think this one has an executable, but it doesn't require compilation either. And instructions are quite simple.

https://github.com/sherlock-project/sherlock

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 9 months ago (1 children)

There's a little trick my parents passed down to me whenever I asked them what a word meant or how to do something when I was a kid, "look it up yourself". Look up the word in the dictionary, learn how to learn how to do things, and then when you get stuck ask for help graciously. Self reliance isn't something that just happens, it takes effort and often failure.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago

It's a great learning technique. My family and girlfriend always say I'm so smart cause I know a lot. I don't think I'm that smart I just always take that extra step to Google something if I have any questions. Doesn't matter how small or unimportant it may seem, you never know what sort of rabbit hole you'll fall down and how much you'll learn because of it.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Someone created an issue for they generated an exe. The answers are interesting

https://github.com/sherlock-project/sherlock/issues/2006

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 9 months ago (2 children)

https://github.com/sherlock-project/sherlock?tab=readme-ov-file#installation Interesting, is this used for cyberstalking?

Regardless if you use any python then it is super easy. If you don't use python, it is super easy to learn. If you are unwilling to learn, then ask for help and don't be a condescending dick. BUT i usually don't like to spend time helping people that are unwilling to learn.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago

It could be used for cyberstalking, but it's not expressly built for that use case I think. All it does is spit out sites that have a matching user name on file. It's actually quite useful for periodic social media / account cleanup to check for account you created for one reason or another and no longer need / have grown dormant.

In that sense it's similar to something like Mine.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 9 months ago

script kiddies are old. now we have proompt kiddies.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 9 months ago

Oh that's where the "where's the EXE" is coming from.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago

That last line isn’t too far off. The “script kiddies” are the ones sideloading malware into their Apple devices thinking they’re downloading something like “see if that hot chick looked at your Facebook profile” apps.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago

In an upcoming post: "Why can't anyone just make a button that automatically hacks facebook???!!!"

It's really interesting how differently you see technology as a professional compared to "normies". So much stuff is easily solved by following instructions or reading error messages.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Jesus! Ipad baby script kiddies just sounds like an absolute nightmare!

They, the people like that r*dd!t person, have the technology to look up how to do the thing that'll probably get them in trouble but are so used to everything being essentially hand fed to them thanks to "smart" phones dumbing everything down that the second they find anything inconvenient, they don't know what to do or get furious because of their lack of knowledge and start blaming everyone else.

At least that's what it sounds like to me.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago

Stupid smelly Nerds!

[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

I think this is satire because the app in question is a social media finder and the only non computer users who would want to use it probably uses apple or won't know what an exe even is.

Also

# clone the repo $ git clone https://github.com/sherlock-project/sherlock.git

# change the working directory to sherlock $ cd sherlock

# install the requirements $ python3 -m pip install -r requirements.txt

3 commands lmao

[–] [email protected] 38 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (11 children)

You would be surprised. There are a lot of wannabe hackers out there and many have the entitled attitude shown in OP's posts.

Many of them are also completely alien to the command line as well. What are clear instructions to you and me may as well be Hylian to such skiddies.

I used to have a lot of old cybersec material from late 90s/early 2000s. A lot has changed since then but skiddies? They haven't changed a bit.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

Easy!

For i in *.py do; mv $i basename ($i).exe ; done

Or something...

I haven't written any shell in ages.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm a firm believer that everyone should be taught how to install stuff from Git*

[–] [email protected] 28 points 9 months ago (1 children)

People are taught how to read. They can just go to the documentation and learn.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (5 children)

You know so for this specific instance I kind of find it to be, dumb, right, really stupid, but obviously this guy is trolling, and I think in this thread I've even seen an .exe that someone compiled get posted, so I guess, good things come to those who shitpost and bitch, or whatever.

Also glad this post is (hopefully) dead, so I can write my reflections that nobody else is gonna realistically read.

More broadly, though, I've seen a lot of technically minded linux using system admin types, nerds, basically, right, that just kind of shit relentlessly on anyone who doesn't know as much as them. Which sucks, for sure, it's really annoying. It gives me the same vibe as when people talk about how everyone who moves to their country should speak the language, and understand every facet of the culture and every custom, because they're a "guest". I mean, yeah, sure, that's partially true I suppose, and certainly it would help if that were the case, to smooth the transition, right, but it's also really stupid to expect everyone to acclimate immediately. There are external factors that drive someone to settle in a country, right, could be asylum, could be, socioeconomic asylum. Those are your two options, basically. It's not really like these people don't give anything back, either, since they provide high amounts of economic value, they import their culture which can be beneficial, shit like that. It would just straight up make more sense to accommodate them more, to be nicer to them, because it would make it easier for them to acclimate. You will statistically have better outcomes if you choose that path, compared to just kind of, holding your nose up at them, and demanding everything from them and giving nothing in return.

Not the best metaphor, I'll admit, comparing a country to the collection of people who might be thought of as "tech literate", right, obviously it's apples to oranges. Nonetheless, I've seen a very kind of, elitist attitude, directed towards new people, from a group of people that should welcome anyone who seeks to understand their technology better, anyone who seeks more tech literacy. I dunno, I just feel like I've seen enough "well justified" stack overflow asshole responses that are like "uhhh I GUESS I'll tell you about this but you should've googled it" when google was what brought up the thread. Maybe that's more on google, though, I dunno. It gives me redditor vibes, like, NTA reddit vibes, where people kind of take any morally righteous position they can, in order to justify them acting like a twatsack.

It's also, practically, a strange mentality to take, because none of this is really going to prevent or discourage people from making stupid comments, right. Gatekeeping is the fucking stupidest idea I've ever really heard from the internet, because it just doesn't work. It just creates people who want to spit back at you, and that's obviously going to work itself into a kind of positive feedback loop where you're going to get flooded with more shit in return. It is energy that would be better spent making more accessible software, if such a thing is possible in these circumstances.

I dunno, at large, it is kind of these mentalities that make me think, it's not really any wonder why FOSS software, despite being more naturally suited to computer architecture, compared to other shit, isn't really as used as it should be. It's mostly just a practical concern, for people. If people have to put in 30 minutes to learn something, then that's half an hour, and if they're getting paid federal minimum wage in the states, you could charge them like three bucks and it would probably be worth their time. It's against the ideal, right, to charge for it, obviously it's not really going to be a guaranteed ROI, also you're maybe going to see a smaller userbase, because lots of people would rather pay free than cheap by a staggering proportion, and also you really can't charge for it, and still have your software remain open source, lest someone else just copies it and spreads it.

So that all sucks, in practical terms, but sort of my broader point is that the ideological position of FOSS basically can't compete with your stupid free market charge for money for software kind of shit. We get windows, we get mac, because the software, and the philosophies that built them, were more naturally suited to the socioeconomic environment they all propagated in. They are "more practical", both in terms of your end user's uses, but also in terms of how they spread. It's cynical. It is our old friend of naive techno-optimism, rearing it's ugly head once again. It also makes me think, you know, that what entails FOSS, are philosophical positions that are naturally kind of more suited to a smaller developer, that can't build in anti-crack measures, or realistically charge anonymous internet denizens for copyright infringement, and thus, can't really charge money for software, especially from what's already going to be an extremely limited userbase. It's also to their advantage to maybe try to seek help from their limited install base and bolster their numbers that way. I dunno. It strikes me the same way as non-cyberspace attempts at anarchism, right, where it just doesn't, as quickly, as cynically, secure the means of resistance, and ends up constantly getting crushed by larger predators of ideology.

I dunno man, I just wish people would stop being mean to each other on the internet. Causes me too much psychic damage.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 9 months ago (4 children)

People misunderstand the target audience of GitHub—which is specifically not the general public, but yes, developers. If you don't want to be treated as a developer, don't use a platform designed for developers. And I'm saying this as someone who's having a horrible time learning hot git and GitHub works. (Not because it's bad, I'm just a slow learner lol)

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 9 months ago (8 children)

If they just asked kindly those "stupid smelly nerds" would've gladly helped bit no you have to be an idiot and an entitled little shit.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Devs tend to forget that they get paid so much because they know things most don't. If everyone was comfortable with things that seem simple to them like running a git install, devs wouldn't be as sought after.

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