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Want a 3D printer in New York? Get ready for fingerprinting and a 15 day wait (www.nysenate.gov)
submitted 10 months ago by BrazenSigilos@ttrpg.network to c/3dprinting@lemmy.ml
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Assembly Bill A8132 has been assigned a "Same As" bill in the Senate: S8586 [NYSenate.gov] [A8132 - 2023]

I don't own a gun, I never have and I don't plan to at any time in the future. But if these pass in the NYS Senate and Congress, it would be required to submit fingerprints for a background check then wait 15 days, before you could own any "COMPUTER OR COMPUTER-DRIVEN MACHINE OR DEVICE CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A THREE-DIMENSIONAL OBJECT FROM A DIGITAL MODEL."

This isn't even going to stop any crimes from happening, for pity sakes regular guns end up in criminal charges all the time, regardless of background check laws. How about some real change and effective measures, rather then virtue-signaling and theater illusion for a constituency?

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[–] DScratch@sh.itjust.works 43 points 10 months ago (1 children)

3d printers run on GCode. Does that count as a “digital model”?

Are we licensing CNC mills too now? Or laser cutters?

[–] alleycat@feddit.de 36 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)
  1. FOR PURPOSES OF THIS SECTION, "THREE-DIMENSIONAL PRINTER" MEANS A COMPUTER OR COMPUTER-DRIVEN MACHINE OR DEVICE CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A THREE-DIMENSIONAL OBJECT FROM A DIGITAL MODEL.

Not an American, but it really reads like they redefined 3D printer as meaning "literally any kind of cnc machine".

[–] Majoof@aussie.zone 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Just wait till they find out about regular paper printers...

[–] lud@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They are not producing 3D objects though, unless you go in with a microscope which I belive is out of scope.

[–] greybeard@lemmy.one 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Except for copiers that can do binding.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

True but they never work.

[–] WaterWaiver@aussie.zone 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

In that case one of my 3D printers would be exempt too.

"Sorry snotwrangler, you're legal"

[–] bonn2@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

They could print out a cut and fold guide to make a 3d object. Not saying that is a reasonable read of this, just something to argue in court if this somehow makes it to law.

[–] kevin@programming.dev 8 points 10 months ago

So a manual mill and a receiver blank are not? If you wanted to build something like this yourself, this is a better option than a 3d printer.

[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

As broad as possible – as always.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago

What in the actual fuck.

[–] Voyajer@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (3 children)

How is that going to work? You can buy printers piecemeal all the way down to the belts, rails, and structural parts. There are complete BOMs online for free. Or you can buy from alibaba or banggood or something who probably won't declare it properly.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I guess they will get a punishment if discovered. Duh.

Of course the actual illegal users aren't going to register shit. But you can punish them harder when you find them.

To be clear I am very much against this considering I own a 3D printer myself and I am a reasonable person.

[–] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Same way it works with high cap mags. Drive across the state line buy it and drive back.

[–] bonn2@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

How is that going to work?

Simple, it won't

[–] GluWu@lemm.ee 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Me with my unlicensed angle grinder, hammer, drill, and file making AKs out of car doors.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

So, anyone thinking about opening up a 3D printer retailer in New Jersey?

[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Too late, they've already got a Microcenter.

[–] p1mrx@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 months ago

Ye gods! What about the children?

[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago

I think about back alley black market print shops.

[–] huginn@feddit.it 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Note: this bill is nowhere near passing.

Not saying it can't pass, but it's not even remotely close right now.

[–] BrazenSigilos@ttrpg.network 5 points 10 months ago

I agree, but that's why I wanted to spread awareness that it existed starting now. The sooner the better.

[–] Flumpkin@slrpnk.net 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Holy shit, how braindead do you have to be?

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Maybe someone really should explain this to people like this. If you want to make a useful gun, it's far better to make it using old school metalworking tools. 3D printed guns are really shit and still need a metal barrel and stuff. Maybe make a video showing the steps of how to make a gun WITHOUT a 3D printer?

[–] bonn2@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago

You know what would be more effective? Actually vote people out of office for making insane proposals, but we all know that will never happen.