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So they're adding features already available in Steam. I already have Steam.
Yeah but Steam doesn't pay companies to exclude other platforms!
Oh wait, that's a good thing.
I mean, to be clear, they don't do this out of the kindness of their hearts. They used to have exclusives before they dominated the vast majority of the market. It just wouldn't make sense for them to do now.
Well, here's the thing: If they provide a good service, good prices, and they treat their customers well, I am totally OK with them making money.
Yes but also you have to understand Epic is not in the same situation as Valve.
You're right, one runs a shitty store and the other runs a good one.
Because one has that luxury
That's a ridiculous take: Steam is good because they made it good. Epic is shit because they made it shit.
It's not a luxury, it's a choice.
Epic could have chosen to be more like Steam or even GOG, but instead they chose to be Epic.
That's a ridiculous take. Steam doesn't have to do the dumb shit Epic does to be competitive because they already dominate the industry.
Steam is doing well because they made a good platform, not the other way around. Gabe Newell even came out and said that piracy is not a pricing issue, it's a service issue, which reflects Steam's approach. They were not even close to being the first online game store.
GOG came well after steam had established itself and, unlike Epic, they are not shitty (they don't even have DRM at all!) so your argument just doesn't hold up. Their launcher isn't as good as Steam but it's still better than Epic and you don't even need to use it because, again, no DRM!
Also, let's not pretend like Epic, a 32 BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY, is some tiny fledgling group: They have, and have always had, more than enough money to make a great launcher but instead they spend their budget on bribing studios with exclusivity deals, trying to bribe potential customers with free games, and of course marketing.
Meanwhile, in addition to making a good, affordable handheld gaming PC, Valve has made massive contributions to Linux gaming, virtual reality, and gaming at large.
In short: Fuck Epic lmao, the entity who is responsible for Epic being shitty is Epic itself.
Steam is doing well because they made a good platform, not the other way around.
Wrong. Steam is doing well because they invented a marketplace where other developers could sell their games with DRM and buyers could download them immediately from the comfort of their homes 20 years ago. They don't need exclusive titles because they never had any competition.
Certainly having a good platform doesn't hurt.
Gabe Newell even came out and said that piracy is not a pricing issue, it's a service issue, which reflects Steam's approach.
I don't understand what that has to do with anything?
GOG came well after steam had established itself and, unlike Epic, they are not shitty
GoG is a side project of CDPR (much like EA or Ubisoft launcher) and I'm certain they don't make much money, because very few developers want to sell their games DRM-free.
Are you trolling or just a shill for epic?
Wrong. Steam is doing well because they invented a marketplace where other developers could sell their games with DRM and buyers could download them immediately from the comfort of their homes 20 years ago. They don’t need exclusive titles because they never had any competition.
Steam did not invent online marketplaces for games, it existed for well over a decade before going all the way back to the Atari 2600. That argument is total bullshit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_distribution_of_video_games
I don’t understand what that has to do with anything?
Sorry, I can't understand things for you but it's pretty central to why Steam's launcher is better than Epics and it has nothing at all do to with Steam being some corporate giant because so is Epic.
GoG is a side project of CDPR (much like EA or Ubisoft launcher) and I’m certain they don’t make much money, because very few developers want to sell their games DRM-free.
Again, are you kidding me with this shit? Do you not know who Epic Games is? Here, please, give this a read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_Games You could swap out Epic for GOG and the statement would still stand. What an absurd point...
You keep criticizing shit that you brought up as irrelevant when I show you that you are factually incorrect.
I'm out, this is the most ridiculous conversation I've had in months and I have no more patience for it.
Congratulations on becoming the first person I have ever blocked here.
They are 100% trolling, don't feed the trolls.
Yeah, the more they "argued" the more obvious it became. I should've ignored them earlier but there's always the compulsion to correct things.
Are you trolling or just a shill for epic?
Ah yes. Why is it that disagreements inevitably devolve into accusations of "trolling" and "shills" almost immediately? Let's not have a rational discussion, let's just lob insults and completely irrational accusations when we don't understand things...
it existed for well over a decade before going all the way back to the Atari 2600.
Are you a shill for Valve or just a troll? The Atari was a console that died 20 years ago. Steam is a PC marketplace.
Sorry, I can't understand things for you
LOL have you tried explaining?
Steam's launcher is better than Epics
I agree but that's nothing to do with the conversation we're having about exclusivity agreements.
You could swap out Epic for GOG and the statement would still stand. What an absurd point...
Oh okay, my mistake, remind me which games Epic published?
I'm out, this is the most ridiculous conversation I've had in months and I have no more patience with this.
Or you know you're wrong and don't have any arguments to put up other than insults and unfounded accusations...
That is Epic's fault my guy, troll harder.
Do you have anything constructive you'd like to add to the discussion or did you just come here to lob personal insults and troll?
Bye Felicia!
Who did they pay to make their games exclusive to Steam?
The same people Epic pays.
It should be easy to provide examples of exclusivity deals they signed then.
I mean, I'm pretty pro-steam myself but competition is always a good thing for consumers. There are plenty of features that Steam users have been asking for for years and maybe another competitor in the desktop marketplace can light a fire under them, so to speak.
That's the whole problem, Epic hasn't approached the situation with the intention of being good faith competition. They have instead attempted to exclude competition by paying for platform exclusivity. That's anti-consumer. As a consumer that annoys me. GOG is competition for Steam, they offer a genuine value via DRM free versions of the same games ALSO available on Steam. That leaves the choice in the buyers hands as to which platform offers a better value. It's a big difference in my opinion.
GOG is nice, but I don't trust it because it's owned by CD Projekt
Steam's maintenance downtime (as someone on US Eastern time) and just general glitchiness has been a bit irritating lately. I wouldn't mind some competition but Epic isn't a Linux friendly company so ... I'm not exactly rooting for them.
However, I'd like them to poke Steam just enough that Valve reduces their downtime to almost zero.
They could stop being dogshit. That would be good. Like a launcher that I don't need to wait for ten times longer than my Arch boot.
They could, but I'm betting they will still be a joke of a platform that only exists because Epic has a lot of money to throw around.
Friendly reminder that a sizable share of Epic is owned by Tencent.
They could stop wasting money on buying exclusivity. That would be the biggest improvement of all.
Before I deleted my account they still didn't have a shopping cart.
I'll never pay them a cent, still, EG is a decent freebie shelf.