Malicious Compliance

In the US, there is no law or regulation. It’s decided company by company. We usually distinguish between vacation days and sick days, and the number of hours for each accumulate throughout the year based on the number of hours worked, with more senior employees having a higher ratio (meaning they accumulate hours faster). The total number of hours are generally capped (eg, they can’t go above 240), but they do carry over year to year. Some companies (and I believe this is required in some states, like California) must pay out the remaining vacation hours when the employee leaves the company, so that if you leave with 120 hours of vacation on the books, you get three weeks vacation pay in addition to any additional severance package. That does not hold for accumulated sick leave. These are both considered “paid time off” (PTO) because employees are paid their salary/hourly pay. When I left my last position, I did so with 240 hours of vacation that they had to pay out, which was in addition to my hiring bonus and moving allowance at my new employer. It came in handy.

Other companies do what’s called “unlimited paid time off.” This means there’s no pre-existing cap and that vacation and sick time get bundled together. It’s all at the manager’s discretion. Depending on the company, though, it can be a disadvantage. Corporate culture can be such that people are discouraged from taking time off, and there’s no vacation pay out if you leave, because you don’t have set hours on the books. Americans in general take long weekend or week-long vacations, sometimes up to two weeks. Depending on the role (and the nature of the vacation), they’ll still work some hours, because that’s often the cultural expectation.

The worst jobs - and this means the majority of service jobs - allow for either zero PTO hours, or will routinely deny employee requests to use them. The above applies to corporate jobs (eg engineers and designers), union jobs, and government work. The person making your pizza or telling you where the shoe department is probably doesn’t get those “benefits,” and if they do, they have to jump through a ridiculous number of hoops (including facing the wrath of their manager) to exercise them.

I’d like the US to have legislation to force minimum levels of PTO, and I’d like to have the culture change so one can say “I’m going to be in Greece for four weeks but will call you when I get back” rather than saying “I have stage three liver cancer and will be getting my organs replaced but I can make the meeting at ten.”

I think the person is quite possibly German as we have the same rules.

It is about three days of consecutive sick leave. Meaning you can be sick as long as you "want" to be, but if it is more than three days in a row, you have to get a certificate from a doctor

My company, which is pretty generous (by US standards) gives us 8 paid sick days per year. Up until this year we got unlimited after that with a doctors note (unpaid, bit you wouldn't get fired for it.) This year they stopped accepting doctor notes, so if you rub out of sick time, tough shit. BUT if you're out for over a week, FMLA or disability or some shit like that kicks in, and there ain't fuck all they can do about it lol. And THAT shit is paid. I have a feeling they're gonna rethink the doctors note thing next year lol.

Not sure I'd categorise us as a civilised country at the moment, but in the UK it's a full week before your employer can ask for a note: https://www.gov.uk/taking-sick-leave

Though one should note that beyond a certain number of days - varies by country - your company can then require you to immediately get medical attestation for further sick days, and also they can require a second opinion from another doctor they get to pick.

Right, but what I’m saying is employees shouldn’t have to justify or provide a reason/proof that they are sick. If there is a set number of paid sick leaves provided, then let them use it. If they use it to take a vacation then have to take unpaid leave when they actually get sick, that’s on them.

The joke is 40% of the work days account for 40% of the sick days meaning everything is fine. But some people just see the 40% number and assume people are gaming the system when it's actually all perfectly statistically normal with no games.

It's straight out of the book how to lie with statistics even though the number is totally true you give it an inference that points to your agenda

It's from the office.