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Is the KKE [Communist Party of Greece] a homophobic party? Behind the curtain of “individual rights” (www.idcommunism.com)

submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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The first and main reason for the KKE's refusal to extend civil marriage to same-sex couples, which enshrines shared parental responsibility, is the commercialization of procreation and adoption. A second, equally important and related reason is that, in practice, the articles of the bill bypass the social right of a child to the motherhood-fatherhood relation as an evolving biosocial relationship. Our Party considers that parenthood is the relationship between a parent and child, which at the individual level reflects existing social relations. The KKE's position is based on the rights of the child, i.e. the child's social need to have ties with its mother and father. This need has an objective basis: the interrelated motherhood-fatherhood relation, resulting from the complementary function of man and woman in the process of procreation. The laws that are enacted must defend this right, not undermine it.

The preachers of “individual rights” have rushed to label the KKE as “homophobic”. They 'll do the same for this article.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

We talk a lot about the benefits of democratic centralism and the problems of parties where individual members can do whatever they want, but this strikes me as a significant shortcoming of democratic centralism: what happens when your party comes down on the wrong side of an important issue? This would put members who opposed this internally in a tough spot of upholding the party line.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

:nikiforova-thonk:

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

This is the short coming for all true democracy. If majority of the people are against it, we're forced to accept it as a reality. We've to go further by campaigning for the vulnerable for the message to be heard. But then democratic centralism come in. For party discipline, it's fine, but nation-wide? No, I think there are more suitable alternatives.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

They're pushing against the commercialization of parenthood... but only in the case of gay people? Not homophobic at all.

Also certainly not on 4 or 5 layers of essentialism.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

Don't know enough about Greek politics, but the arguments all seem pretty homophobic. The appeals to nature seem like rank idealism and "a child needs a mother and father" is the standard line for 'polite' homophobes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

KKE is really bad at communicating the points they try to make, one of their CC members started out pretty strong here :

When asked about same-sex marriage and childbearing, Luisa Razou pointed out that the KKE leads the defense of the rights of same-sex people and does not make the sexual orientation of individuals, whether women or men, a reason for discrimination in their social life.

I agree, the issue is that basically nobody who isn't already wealthy can afford to live or even think about raising a family in the current situation.

... there is a certain disconnection of man from his objective determination and this creates greater and deeper distinctions and irrationalities with theories of gender construction.

cringe

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I agree, the issue is that basically nobody who isn't already wealthy can afford to live or even think about raising a family in the current situation.

Do rich people have more kids than poor people in Greece? It's the opposite in my country.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Tbh it's anecdotal, but ~~most~~ all of my relatives who would be of age to have children aren't or are delaying, simply because they're already living in a tiny ass apartment with not very much money coming in.