this post was submitted on 12 Feb 2024

-37 points (21.5% liked)

Conservative

375 readers

63 users here now

A place to discuss pro-conservative stuff

Be excellent to each other. Civility, No Racism, No Bigotry, No Slurs, No calls to violences, No namecalling, All that good stuff, follow lemm.ee's rules, follow the rules of your instance, etc.
We are a Pro-Conservative forum. Posts must have a clear pro-conservative, or anti left-wing bias. We are interested in promoting conservatism and discussing things that might get ignored elsewhere. All sources are acceptable, however reputable sources with a reputation for factual reporting are preferred.
Dissent is allowed in the comments, but try to be constructive; if you do not agree, then provide a reason which is backed up by references or a reasonable alternative interpretation of the provided facts. That means the left wing is welcome to state their opinions, but please keep it in good faith.

A polite request, not a rule, if you feel the need to report a comment, please don't reply to it.

founded 1 year ago

MODERATORS

[email protected]

-37

Lakewood Church shooting suspect identified as transgender woman; 'Free Palestine' written on gun (www.foxnews.com)

submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

69 comments fedilink hide all child comments

Alt article: https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/authorities-respond-to-reported-shooting-near-houston-church/

top 50 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (24 children)

Crazy how you guys only care about gun violence when someone other than your own side does it. Especially given that most political violence is right wing violence.

Announcing the shooter as trans front and center in the headline only serves to portray trans people as violent and dangerous, because where would fox news be if not for its continual perpetuation of bigotry against already vulnerable minorities?

Most shooters are straight, cis, white males. Yet you'll never see fox news with a headline going "X shooting suspect identified as a straight, cis, white male with 'kill all blacks' written on gun".

Meanwhile your alternative article you linked shows what better journalism looks like:

"Female suspect fatally shot after shooting at Joel Osteen's Lakewood Church"

And here is an actually good source:

https://apnews.com/article/church-shooting-joel-osteen-texas-ea557401f2eef247020e34297159536a

[–] [email protected] -4 points 9 months ago (20 children)

Ive said it time and time again, conservatives are not a monolith. Please stop acting like it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

More people should hear and understand this on both extreme ends of the political spectrum.

Don't listen to people who broadly mock an ideology with straw man arguments and broad generalizations. That shit is for children.

If someone says "conservatives always..."/"liberals only think..." or any variation just ignore them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Also it's odd that you're complaining that I'm grouping republicans together (for a post/article you guys agree with and support), but when someone comes along and says "dEMocRatS aRe VIoLenT" you're silent. What a double standard.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago

Guys I think this might be a joke

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Can you link to somewhere blameta did this?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

And no I would never fit into the democrats. I’m neither woke nor a racist.

https://lemm.ee/comment/9020958

That is why so many Democrats are in prison compared to Republicans.

https://lemm.ee/comment/8872460

Democrats support illegal immigration. It’s not shocking since democrats love lawlessness.

https://lemm.ee/comment/8870239

As I’ve said many times, democrats. (Liberals) are racist.

https://lemm.ee/comment/8520157

That’s democrats who want the racial and gender caste system.

https://lemm.ee/comment/8513465

That is because Democrats love to spend money they don’t have.

https://lemm.ee/comment/8410895

It is well known the Nazis and Democrats are well connected. Two peas in a pod.

https://lemm.ee/comment/8405309

Democrats are still racist as they’ve always been.

https://lemm.ee/comment/8377599

This is just the past month alone, and just one user. Admittedly, 90% of these kinds of statements come from winter. But every single one, not a peep out of the mods saying "hey, don't say that, democrats are not a monoloth".

The exact one about democrats being violent must have been from a while ago. And tbh I don't care enough to go digging for it. My point has been made.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So because I dont censor it, that must mean I agree with it? Is that really your mindset?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

So because I dont censor it, that must mean I agree with it?

Not even close to what I am saying.

What I am actually saying:

You are applying a double standard
You are failing to keep this place civil

[–] [email protected] -3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What double standard?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Also it’s odd that you’re complaining that I’m grouping republicans together (for a post/article you guys agree with and support), but when someone comes along and says “dEMocRatS aRe VIoLenT” you’re silent. What a double standard.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If you're going to comment, at least try to address what I'm saying.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You know what? Fuck it.

Crazy how you guys only care about gun violence when someone other than your own side does it. Especially given that most political violence is right wing violence.

Saying "Gun violence" instead of "Violence" is dog whistling that you care more about disarming people than saving lives.

That aside, yes, most political violence world wide is right wing violence. This is mainly due to Islamic terrorism, which is right wing. Note that is not American right wing.

Most shooters are straight, cis, white males.

Define shootings. Because with one definition, you can have 300+ shootings every year, but that counts gang violence, and suddenly white men aren't the biggest contributors to the stat anymore. I'll let you guess which demographic would, since you brought it up.

Alternatively, excluding gang violence, you can have under a dozen every year, and white men are the biggest contributors. Not per capita, but still in absolute numbers.

Yet you’ll never see fox news with a headline going “X shooting suspect identified as a straight, cis, white male with ‘kill all blacks’ written on gun”.

Guess what? They have a right wing bias. They generally don't report shootings because there's no angle. Left wing sites do report on them because they want to push an anti-gun narrative, that and ratings.

And here is an actually good source:

Don't think I didn't notice just how light on details that AP is. They talk a bunch about the victims and Joel osteen, but they barely give you her name. They are pushing an angle by omission. Same as fox, same as cbs, same as every news site.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Saying “Gun violence” instead of “Violence” is dog whistling that you care more about disarming people than saving lives.

I'm saying gun violence because that's the topic. Getting upset over this wording is like getting upset somebody calls a ride on a plane "air travel" instead of "travel". That's the category of the subject being discussed.

That aside, yes, most political violence world wide is right wing violence. This is mainly due to Islamic terrorism, which is right wing. Note that is not American right wing.

Even if you're just limiting to domestic terrorism, right wing terrorism is the majority of said terrorism.

Define shootings

I thought it was pretty clear that I was talking about politically motivated attacks when I was talking about the straight white shooters thing. Gang violence isn't really politically motivated.

And your numbers are way off:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41488081

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N363273/

Guess what? They have a right wing bias. They generally don’t report shootings because there’s no angle. Left wing sites do report on them because they want to push an anti-gun narrative, that and ratings.

So when left wing sources push an angle, it's to reduce deaths. When right wing sources push an angle, it's to demonize minorities who are already at risk for violence.

And you think the chosen angle for this particular case makes you look good?

Don’t think I didn’t notice just how light on details that AP is. They talk a bunch about the victims and Joel osteen, but they barely give you her name.

Glorifying shooters only makes copy cats more likely. The AP is being responsible.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Per the Reuters article from 2016 - 2020, trans people accounted for 2.3% of mass shootings but per 2020 census data only account for 0.6% of the population. They are 4x more likely to commit a mass shooting then the rest of the population.

See I can cherry pick stats to make them say what I want to too.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Wow you straight up admitted you were cherypicking. You have no argument so I'll move on.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The difference between you and I is that I'm honest enough to admit when I'm using cherry picked stats.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Intentionally using cherry picked stats is by definition dishonest.

And I wasn't using cherry picked stats.

load more comments (3 replies)

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I’m saying gun violence because that’s the topic. Getting upset over this wording is like getting upset somebody calls a ride on a plane “air travel” instead of “travel”. That’s the category of the subject being discussed.

We've been over this so many times, it's not worth typing it up anymore. But for our audience, gun violence is a propaganda term. It's basically, take all violence, and throw out anything that doesn't help with disarming the people. If pizza here actually cared about saving lives, he would actually look at violence itself. Remember, violence is a symptom. Disarming the people will not solve social-economic problems.

So when left wing sources push an angle, it’s to reduce deaths. When right wing sources push an angle, it’s to demonize minorities who are already at risk for violence.

You're being intentionally obtuse. left wing sources want to disarm the people, not to save lives.

Glorifying shooters only makes copy cats more likely. The AP is being responsible.

We're well past the point of worrying about copy cats.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

We’ve been over this so many times, it’s not worth typing it up anymore. But for our audience, gun violence is a propaganda term. It’s basically, take all violence, and throw out anything that doesn’t help with disarming the people.

Just because you say something doesn't mean it's true. I'm telling you my intention is to reduce harm. You can make up whatever bullshit you want to convince yourself that my intentions are elsewhere. You can lie to yourself all you want.

But I know my intentions, and they aren't "hur dur take da gunz".

If pizza here actually cared about saving lives, he would actually look at violence itself.

But that's not the topic. This is a post about a shooting, a specific event, not violence as a whole.

Remember, violence is a symptom.

I am aware. That doesn't change the fact that what I said is true.

Disarming the people will not solve social-economic problems.

I never said otherwise. You completely missed the point of what I am saying.

You’re being intentionally obtuse. left wing sources want to disarm the people, not to save lives.

Prove it. Prove that their intentions are this hidden mischievous conspiracy.

We’re well past the point of worrying about copy cats.

For those such as yourself that don't care about people dying, sure. But for the rest of us it is still a concern.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What is even the point of arguing with you?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

If you don't like arguing with people then perhaps becoming the head mod of a political subreddit wasn't a good idea.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You know, I used to. I used to enjoy digging up news articles, charters, recordings, studies, whatever. Felt like maybe I was getting through to people. Maybe not in the moment, but maybe theyd think about what they read. If not agreeing with me, at least just understanding just a little more.

Its really disheartening.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 8 months ago

I love opposing views when they are good faith. I don’t like trolls. Some people are just trolls.

load more comments (17 replies)

load more comments (23 replies)

load more comments