@ajsadauskas @pluralistic @technology It'll go where Orkut went.
this post was submitted on 04 Feb 2024
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@ajsadauskas @pluralistic @technology
"So what happens if maintaining that archival footage becomes unprofitable?"
Things improve.
Youtube does not have a monopoly because it's the only video app installed on your computer, but because it's the one everyone uses.
Plenty of people have tried to compete, but Youtube was good enough. Others had good reasons to try but concluded that Youtube was good enough.
When Youtube is no longer good enough, they get to show they can do it better.
Google search is worse, because it hasn't been good enough for a long time, but somehow every competitor has decided to be worse. Altavista 25 years ago beat what Google search is today, I can't imagine Microsoft being unable to afford to bring Bing up to Altavista levels.
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@ajsadauskas @pluralistic @technology Needs to be nationalised; or more precisely, converted to a non-profit body.
@ajsadauskas @pluralistic @technology Some of it is saved by public services (for content in french, by INA).
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@ajsadauskas @pluralistic @technology
What, you don't have a personal archive of your youtube favorites?
Better start the backup now?
@ajsadauskas @pluralistic @technology i think it already is unprofitable, just that they haven’t decided (how) to act upon that fact.
On the other hand, is hosting it all become more or less expensive over time? If server costs are getting lower faster than the amount of stuff people upload grows, they could well keep it just to know what every person online wants to watch (and show ads, I guess).
@ajsadauskas @pluralistic @technology and I have a vimeo account, and I keep "meaning to try" to use it....there's even good stuff on there! It's affordable if it's pay-to-view! But no....
@ajsadauskas @pluralistic @technology
Hear hear! That Do No Harm motto seems to have become increasingly flexible...
@ajsadauskas @pluralistic @technology
Curious if you are aware of anyway of downloading one's content off YouTube for this all but inevitable moment?
I use Downie (on Mac) but there’s a video downloader app for every platform. It doesn’t download the ads either 😉
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YouTube as 'too big for ethics' and also 'too big to compete with' is terrifying AF.
Nothing can replace YT and it's success or failure is in the hands of one unscrupulous company.
@ajsadauskas @pluralistic @technology @fanf that is why @brewsterkahle created https://archive.org -- support them so we can keep an archive of important things, otherwise commercial companies will restrict and control the information in the future, and those who write the last are the real winners...
@jeroen @ajsadauskas @pluralistic @technology @fanf @brewsterkahle
Archive has immense storage capacity, but Google's data centers are much larger.
The world would be better served with archives scattered across the globe which federate. I've been drawn to the idea that every municipality should have one more or more archives (tied to libraries), which then federate.
the fundamental protocols of the internet are distributed and decentralized; they were designed to survive nuclear war.
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@GhostOnTheHalfShell
There are archives everywhere already. The problem is that these ventures are publicly funded, and municipalities are broke, and the national government squeezes public services in favor of other expenses. Here's one dataset of Archives locations in the USA: https://www.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?webmap=6cc5e9301e28453cba9737f7e8d284df&extent=-125.6236,25.3089,-68.8902,52.8456 - We need to support public archival instututions that have already existed for decades. & not put all eggs in the IA basket.
@jeroen @ajsadauskas @pluralistic @technology @fanf @brewsterkahle
@j_feral @jeroen @ajsadauskas @pluralistic @technology @fanf @brewsterkahle
I haven’t seen a GIS map in ages. Nice, and thank you!
I guess my question is if these outfits store some of the created works that reside on YT. I would argue that retaining everything on YT is a bit crazy. Organisms forget for a reason.
@j_feral @jeroen @ajsadauskas @pluralistic @technology @fanf @brewsterkahle
The only problem is the lack of public investment. I’d much prefer to see municipalities provide internet and web hosting services to its residents, then build out parallels to BigPlatform through a fedi model. A fedi ecommerce element doesn’t exist.
For profit platforms end up being little different than the East India company, which was owned by the world’s richest man of his time. We had a party in Boston over it.
@jeroen @ajsadauskas @pluralistic @technology @fanf @brewsterkahle And THAT Is why commercial companies want to destroy archive.org
@ajsadauskas @pluralistic @technology
Note that Youtube enacted a policy of deleting very old footage.
The process is already underway.
I’m not worried about it. You don’t need YouTube in your life.
If it bothers you this much you may be spending entirely way too much time on your computer.
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