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[–] [email protected] 49 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Most animals in captivity live a very short and very miserable life till or while they are harvested and then discarded. That is not something that is currently being done to humans in a nearly as bad way.

[+] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No, this is just reactionaries hating zoos without really thinking about what the good ones accomplish

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Most animals in captivity aren't in a zoo...

[+] [email protected] -13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Are the modern standards, that they just educate without imprisoning animals? If not, then no.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

And animals that would otherwise not survive in the wild?

[+] [email protected] -13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Personally I would rather die then be exploited and held without any regards to my well being, so I think they feel the same

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They don’t

[+] [email protected] -8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Ah, so you are an animal? or can you talk to them? What makes you think that you know?

Honestly, they are capable of suffering and we just accept them suffering, its at least morally wrong. But as soon as you criticize the lifestyle you get the conservative ones wanting everything to stay like it was, no surprise here

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It doesn’t take an evolutionary biologist to put together that animals would rather not die.

The particular zoo I’m thinking off has private sections of the habitats that only zookeepers can get to. Please step down of your moral high horse.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 10 months ago

I just dont think survival justifies keeping them in captivity. Why would it? What dies that gain the species?

Also most animals in Zoos arent even endangered, so maybe stop defending keeping animals as attractions, that was already weird when we were doing that with humans ...

[+] [email protected] -13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They don't benefit from an environment designed to put them on display rather than designed to be correct for them either

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Depending on the zoo, a lot function as very large animal shelters. My hometown has a really good zoo that’s run by a nonprofit organization, and they go to huge lengths to make sure the habitats for the animals fit their natural environments.

Most of the animals there have suffered injuries, or have some sort of defect or medical issue that prevents them being able to be released. Part of the property is also a wildlife reserve.

I get your knee jerk reaction but zoos do have a place

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Animals aren't harvested for their money.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They are harvested for their organs

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

And muscles, and bones and hair

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

sure, just for their bodies and mammary fluids, that sure is better.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wow, that must mean that we're in captivity! /s

Even if animals in captivity did live longer (which @[email protected] contradicts), wouldn't it make more sense to think it's because of better treatment and healthcare?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, he's not contradicting the intended statement. "Animals in captivity" usually refers to zoos/aquariums/etc in this context.

They are just pointing out that animals raised for food are also "animals in captivity," and have dramatically reduced lifespans.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Farm animals are not animals in captivity.

Captivity implies being captured and being held captured.

It is about wild animals that do live longer in a control environment albeit loosing their freedom.

Animal farming is a different animal

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

My response was in reference to the comment the guy above linked to. The one by WallEx.

That post was claiming animals didn't live longer in captivity, but was taking animals raised for meat into account.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

Wow, I guess Americans really are the freest people then

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Holy shit, I haven't seen this template for YEARS. Pulled out of one dusty ass meme vault...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Self-domestication is a thing.