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[–] [email protected] 171 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I think that anyone who's been around reddit long enough knew this was coming. Reddit isn't a free and open platform, and never was. The admins allowed moderators free reign just so long as they didn't do anything that reddit didn't want.

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[–] [email protected] 153 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 301 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (26 children)

So far Spez's legacy includes, in no particular order:

  • Changing other peoples' comments
  • Starting a war with the 3rd party app devs who made reddit the easily accessible platform it is (browsing reddit on the toilet wasn't nearly as common before the first apps came out, and all of the first ones were 3rd party)
  • Being a moderator on the jailbait subreddit, a community for sharing sexually suggestive pictures of underage teenage girls
  • Forcing new moderation teams on communities whose moderation he didn't agree with
  • Straight up lying about the 3rd party apps and their developers every step of the way

Way to go, Steve Huffman! You had a community of volunteers build your platform for you and now you're taking it all away from them. I'm sure this won't backfire.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

spez is also a doomsday prepper who dreams about living as some sort of lord in a post-apocalyptic feudal society

β€œBeing around other people is a good thing. I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove.”

https://archive.today/20220703182824/https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich#selection-901.0-905.391

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago

I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove.

In a post-apocalyptic world? That skinny nerd (not to be meant as a slur, I myself am a nerd)?

Yeah I sorta doubt that. He'd need to 1) not be an asshat and 2) have a fair bit more physical size, strength and fighting ability

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I posted this previously elsewhere.

The statement from r/watchredditdie when they closed the sub really put things in perspective for me.

Steve Huffman and Alexis Ohanian have gone so far as to renege on their promise of listing Aaron Swartz among Reddit, Inc’s founders. Such an egregious breach of contract - only performed once their agreed-upon co-founder no longer walked the earth - could only be carried out by immoral individuals acting in fundamental bad faith. In this way and so many others, Reddit is dead.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago

I posted this previously elsewhere.

The statement from r/watchredditdie when they closed the sub really put things in perspective for me.

Steve Huffman and Alexis Ohanian have gone so far as to renege on their promise of listing Aaron Swartz among Reddit, Inc’s founders. Such an egregious breach of contract - only performed once their agreed-upon co-founder no longer walked the earth - could only be carried out by immoral individuals acting in fundamental bad faith. In this way and so many others, Reddit is dead.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago

Is your comment threatening him? Why are you blackmailing him, man? How is he going to work together with him now that you've so aggressively threatened him?

Why is your comment so badly coded? I can't help you optimize your comment, Google didn't help me write mine.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wow I didn't know he ran r/jailbait. Gross.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago (4 children)

He was forcefully added as a mod on the subreddit. Reddit used to have a system which allowed you to make someone mod without requiring them to accept.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dankmemes/comments/1477psa/comment/jnuy0xf/

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (4 children)

When people add you as a mod, you can still leave. He never did. That subreddit in particular was known to have the blessing of the reddit admins to operate and eventually made 'subreddit of the month'. Then a news org picked up that reddit was hosting this content and then they shut it down.

They were well aware of what was going on. Andrewsmith is right, there is some plausible deniability there, but with the everything else we know about Steve Huffman, I'm not so sure I can agree with his assessment that it was forced upon him.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

While it's certainly better than actively moderating a community...

Is being the admin of a website that actively hosts jailbait and required a massive media outrage to finally remove it that much better? I get free speech and all, but I mean, the subreddit straight up catalogued which pictures were "fap material" and encouraged people (including parents) to take candid photos of the children around them.

A community like that wouldn't last a millisecond in a server I host.

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[–] [email protected] 141 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 128 points 1 year ago (7 children)

lmao, good fuckin luck replacing dedicated volunteers with one or two shitty ones obsessed with power

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (13 children)

lmfao no kidding. part of me is waiting to see the shitshow that happens to some subs without proper moderation. just the amount of bullshit thats gonna be submitted is gonna be intense. and the trolls, oh lord the trolls are gonna have a hayday with once properly moderated subs.

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Honestly not too surprising. But good luck moderating the bigger subs without the old volunteers.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (19 children)

It's an absolute non-starter. The amount of random... I'm a medium fish there and there's SO MUCH you have to know to mod a sub, plus you're constantly in PR mode with the users to keep everyone happy and enjoying your work. Communication skills. Bot wrangling and sometimes creation. Automod. Css. Rule modifications. Enforcement and reviewing existing threads for rule violations. PLUS you have to know the existing culture or you're gonna make everyone mad.

I kinda want to see it. Reddit would explode.

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago (25 children)

Everybody knows that it was bound to happen. Reddit is hopeless and the blackout on its own won't do good in the long run.

That's why I'm trying to kick this out:

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 year ago (9 children)

They can't just re-open subreddits and expect it to go over smoothly. These subs will collapse without moderators.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Deleted my account, removed Apollo, starting to feel at home on Lemmy. No way I’m going back.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The experience has been a lot smoother than I expected.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is it just me or is this going directly against what Reddit once aimed to be?

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago

Corporations and Shareholders ruin everything

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (13 children)

This is why they need to link an alternative like Lemmy and encourage to share it around.

Reddit doesn't disallow mods from posting "Join us on Discord" and this will create a slow and steady move to a new platform.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This post seems somewhat disingenuous. One of the mods Cedarwolf posted his side of what happened 2 hours prior to this post appearing, and if we were to believe his side of the story the top mod who hasn't been active for a year just decided to join the blackout against other mods wishes.

Yes, it's two conflicting stories but he claims to have evidence that he's been inactive. Basically, people should look into this more than assume truth in the headline.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago (12 children)

I just returned for a couple of minutes and it’s a fucking shitshow. I don’t know if it has become worse or if it just feels like that because Lemmy is much more friendly, but Reddit seems to be much more toxic right now.

It is also so obvious that people are trying to use this as some kind of coup. Users interact with the thematic, get explained what the blackout is about, just to comment complete bs about it one comment later. They are acting dumb to gain momentum.

I really hope this will end up in a worldpolitics situation.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

They should tread lightly. Reddit in no way has the ability to function (edit: at least on short notice) without volunteer mods. To some degree they can find scabs, but I honestly don't know how many and how good.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Well here is me abandoning reddit after 10 years. At the end they can do whatever they want with reddit and i can choose in which platform waste my time.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (6 children)

A lot of these people volunteered their spare time to manage communities for no pay. Wondering how far downhill a lot of these subs will go with Spez putting himself in charge of everything.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We can only hope reddit dissappoints their moderators so much they'd rather moderate lemmy communities :)

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'll watch spez digg this grave. I'm not shocked, we have all seen it happen before.

This place feels real, and personally that's all that matters. Reddit has been plastic for a while now. I'm happy to watch the ceo handle it like such a stooge, it almost seems like he wants to tank the company before tencent eats it all up.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It feels reassuring being here in Lemmy away of that shit show.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fuck Reddit. But honestly I’m less and less invested with each passing day. I re-opened Apollo today and it’s already starting to feel old, foreign. I guess that means Lemmy is home now.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago

Oof, not a good look. We'll have to watch more of the larger subs to see if this happens to them too.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a 2 day blackout for god's sake, and it's nearly at the end of it! Was it really necessary to do that?

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago

shows how desperate they really are, honestly feeling like we should push for more communities to commit to longer. even just to the end of the week may create capitulation. not that ill go back!

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 year ago

i love that they're making this extreme choice over fucking advice animals which haven't been relevant in literally 10+years

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is extremely short-sighted on reddits part, elevating lower mods to leads can cause so much drama in a community particularly when the lower mods don't have experience, the lower mods will probably make basic mistakes that'll turn the average base away from the subreddit.

this is really going to bite reddit in the ass if they try it more its like trying to fix a leak by sticking random objects in the hole

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago

This plays out like things I've seen in real life:

  1. Get a community/club/church/workplace going with a good set of leaders.
  2. The system becomes unwieldy through bureaucracy, excessive rules, whatever.
  3. Leadership can't change it, so they storm off in a huff after nobody listens to them.
  4. Power-mongering Assistant to the Regional Manager takes their shot to run the show.
  5. Everything becomes awful.
[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago

Saw this coming the moment the blackouts were being planned

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