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As far as I see that instance is a far-right cess pool. Everything I've got from that instance were low-quality transphobic "news articles".

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here at exploding heads we allow anyone to say and post pretty much anything.

Yeah, that's just code for "nazis welcome". They'll tell you that anybody is welcome, but you just have to ask yourself who would not be welcome anywhere to see who such communities are built for.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

And then it's usually the most low-IQ people you've ever seen. So even if you are a person with controversial opinions and would like to discuss them, you can't even do that properly.

E.g. imagine that you like cryptocoins, but see some kind of problem with them that you would like to argue about... Everything you get is an angry Mob with nonsense responses.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nazis aren't welcome here, best they learn that now rather than through a long process of being told by everyone else here to fuck off.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's your definition of a Nazi? A member of a national socialist party? I want to understand what is being banned before it's banned.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

My criteria for what makes "a Nazi" are something like this.

  1. A belief that race is an immutable genetic concept, that reproducing outside one's race is inherently wrong, and that some races are inherently superior to others; most often the superior groups are "white", while the "inferior" groups include Africans, Jews and travelling people

  2. Reverence for cultural "tradition", real or imagined, with any departure from these traditions classified as "degenerate" and dangerous to society. For example, a belief that avant-garde art is immoral and without value because it doesn't root itself in what are popularly perceived to be the artistic traditions of "the west", a neat line from Greek marble statues to Wagner.

  3. Hatred of diversity, seeing it as a plague that rots a society. For example, the belief that women are unfit to hold a social position outside of motherhood, that non-heterosexual sexualities are "degenerate", that allowing people from another race to exist in your race's society inevitably leads to that society's destruction, that gender as a concept is a "mental illness" because only two biological sexes exist and each biological sex has a set-in-stone role demanding a certain presentation and certain values, that societies which follow one religion must not allow followers of another religion to exist within it.

  4. Heavy use of absolutism. Everything is either wholly good or wholly bad. Nothing can be a mix of good and bad, or neutral. And everything is a matter of utmost urgency. Anything that is "bad" is an existential threat to all that is "good" and must be immediately and utterly annihilated.

  5. An authoritarian outlook. Anything opposed by a Nazi must be forbidden by the full force of the law. There is no space for differences of opinion, or a nuanced debate, or reviewing the facts. If they oppose something, whether it's big or small - the use of marijuana, reformative justice programs, abortion, media with female protagonists - it must be banned under pain of death.

  6. Violence. To a Nazi, the use of violence isn't an escalation, but the norm. They have no qualms about beating people to death simply for espousing an opposing view, or even just for existing if some aspect of their existence offends their beliefs. Likewise, their rhetoric often alludes to the indiscriminate or nonchalant, even gleeful use of deadly force - "physical removal", "showers", etc.

  7. Shameless hypocrisy. The people who say "facts not feelings" as a rebuttal are often the same people whose beliefs are motivated almost entirely by feelings, and will happily mock others for trying to use evidence in their arguments instead of simply saying "it's common sense". They will shame someone for being rude and aggressive while also calling them the N word and telling them that on "the day of the rope", they'll be among the dead.

  8. Veneration of strong leaders and mocking of "weakness". Consensus-builders are seen as spineless "cucks", while people who enforce their every arbitrary whim with total force are held up as "based" exemplars of good leadership and models to be emulated. People who are comfortably being themselves in ways that aren't conventionally masculine are addressed with slurs and told to kill themselves while ignorant, bullying asshats are applauded for "rustling jimmies".

You can meet all of these criteria without being a member of a National-Socialist party, or even identifying as a Nazi, but if you do meet most or all of them, your ideology can be pretty confidently described as Nazi-like.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Nazis

Let me guess. Trump and people who like him are Nazis to you?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I find it interesting that in a thread entirely about Nazis, and nothing but Nazis, you heard Trump.

Make of that what you will

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

After a while of thinking and reviewing, I have come to the conclusion to defederate as requested. If they correct course, I'll happily re-review them.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just block their domain in your instance.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How? I can only block communities, but not a whole instance. That's the core of the problem. It's not just **one ** toxic community that we could easily block, it's pretty much the entire server.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

I asked this another day. It will allow them to spread their nazi bs to new people who aren’t aware, which can become especially dangerous because they rhetoric will be unseen and unchecked by those who blocked them.

Personally I think that’s a good enough justification for defederating vs blocking. They are outright nazis after all, idk if we really need to wring our hands over it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Looks like this is really a right wing/fake/hate news instance. No love is lost defederating them.

So: Yes, please!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Why vote? Isn't that the decision for the instance admins to make? (And also their job?)

Just ping them and also flag offending posts.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So the admins can make a better decision by knowing what their community thinks.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Just directly write them a message. I don't think it needs a vote by the majority of the community to exclude some right wing crypto bros who like transphobia etc

Also if you focus your energy here instead of notifying an admin, they might not read it and you kinda did the opposite of what you intended. Focus your energy here only if the admins and moderation don't do their job properly.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bigotry should be banned, and removed from this instance. That means not allowing bigotry on our instance. That means defederating from less clever wannabe 4chans, and less moderated The_D replacements.

They can enjoy their shithole federation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Honestly 4chan is much better than some of these instances.

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