this post was submitted on 10 Jan 2024
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Science of Cooking

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Interesting, would have been cool to include a base group (no diet change) and an unhealthy vegetarian group (just for selfish reasons).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Judging by the weight loss differences, this looks more like that could be what is driving the differences in LDL, TMAO and insulin. i.e losing more weight is already known to cause differences in LDL levels and other metrics.

And this isn't really representative of what most people on those diets in the real world would be eating. i.e. most meat and cheese substitutes are considerably more processed than the foods they are replacing. i.e they contain significant amounts of salt and saturated fats like coconut oil.

I am vegetarian but that's only really doable for me over the long term because of those highly processed meat substitutes. I am virtually certain I could sustain a less processed diet if I continued to eat meat. i.e a seasoned turkey burger with little if any added salt is going to be A LOT more palatable than anything vegan or vegetarian that isn't processed significantly. And the health advantages of a healthy eating pattern only matter if that healthy eating pattern is actually followed over the long term.

I would be interested in a more long term study that tracked them over years. Just to see how many of them actually stuck with it and how good the long term adherance actually is.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

No offense OP, but I hate stuff like this. Could you provide an abstract? If it is interesting I will read it, otherwise it seems like clickbait.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not OP, but the second paragraph on the article gives you an overview of findings

In this randomized clinical trial of 22 healthy, adult, identical twin pairs, those consuming a healthy vegan diet showed significantly improved low-density lipoprotein cholesterol concentration, fasting insulin level, and weight loss compared with twins consuming a healthy omnivorous diet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Thank you. The source blocks my IP, I will now find a way around it.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago

If it wouldn't be interesting, OP would probably not have shared it. The abstract is exactly one click away.

Just keep on eating your meat. This isn't for you.