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[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)

'We must find ways for Gazans that are more painful than death,' Amichai Eliyahu says

Finally, a humanitarian voice in Israel. He just wants to stop Gazans from dying.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago

I think death is included on their list of ways to leave.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Hitler originally wanted Jewish people to leave Germany. It was only when that failed that they instituted death camps. That's why it was called the final solution.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

With the ICJ to investigate claims of genocide in Gaza, you'd think members of Israel's government would know better than to say shit like this. And for those who want to pick apart the case of Genocide, the ICJ ruled against Myanmar committing Genocide as they've withheld food and water plus displaced the rohingya.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2024/jan/07/uk-accused-of-hypocrisy-in-not-backing-claim-of-genocide-in-gaza-before-icj

"The UK is facing accusations of double standards after formally submitting detailed legal arguments to the international court of justice in The Hague six weeks ago to support claims that Myanmar committed genocide against the Rohingya ethnic group through its mass mistreatment of children and systematically depriving people of their homes and food."

"The UK made its 21-page declaration of intervention” jointly with five other countries, but it is not supporting South Africa as it prepares to try to convince the ICJ on Thursday that Israel is at risk of committing genocide against the Palestinian people."

"The UK submission on Myanmar argues there is a lower threshold for determining genocide if the damage has been inflicted on children as opposed to adults. The submission said other actions that could be defined as genocidal, if systematic, include forced displacement from homes, deprivation of medical services and the imposition of subsistence diets."

"It argues that given declarations of intent to commit genocide are rare, the court’s test should not solely be explicit statements or numbers killed, but reasonable inference drawn from a pattern of conduct and factual evidence."

"Israel will defend itself at the UN-derived ICJ insisting it has been seeking to protect its civilian population in an attempt to destroy Hamas but not the Palestinian people. It says its post-war plans for Gaza involving Palestinian-led governance is proof of a lack of genocidal intent."

"South Africa is likely to highlight the UK’s arguments about Myanmar, submitted in conjunction with Canada, Germany, Denmark, France and the Netherlands, when it makes its high-stakes accusation of genocide against Israel."

"The November joint submission was in support of an original application made to the ICJ by The Gambia in November 2019 that genocidal acts occurred during a 2017 military campaign by Myanmar that drove 730,000 Rohingya into neighbouring Bangladesh."

"Myanmar has always denied genocide, rejecting the UN findings as “biased and flawed”. It says its crackdown was aimed at Rohingya rebels who had carried out terrorist attacks in Rakhine state."

"The ICJ unanimously accepted The Gambia’s request for provisional measures in December 2020, and issued a legally binding order to Myanmar to ends its genocidal acts and report to the court on the steps it was taking to comply."

I copy and pasted relevant paragraphs from the article so the usual dumbasses who defend, deflect and deny have no excuse for denying that a genocide is occuring and if there is a genocide then it's justified.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

you'd think members of Israel's government would know better than to say shit like this

It's a combination of factors:

  1. Israelis view the locals as little more than animals.

  2. Israelis have been able to get away with their brutal treatment of the locals for generations now.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Shooting, bombing, destroying utilities etc. wasn't sufficient motivation? This is just BS to try to make their actions seem reasonable

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Hmm. This sounds like something Eliyahu would say but I can't find a good source for it. This story appears to have originated in an Erdogan-controlled newspaper (Sabah) before spreading to this Erdogan-controlled news organization (Anadolu Agency) and an Iranian propaganda network (Press TV).

I can't think of a good reason why local Israeli radio is being covered exclusively by Turkish news media or why this would be so poorly covered when past statements by Eliyahu and other recent statements by Smotrich and Ben-Gvir were so well covered. Past statements by ministers on 103FM have been covered by credible news organizations (ex. al-Jazeera) and this is supposed to have happened two days ago.

I think that, at least for this conflict, aa seems like a questionable source.

Update: Eliyahu was in the press for saying horrific shit both yesterday and today. Both stories speak about his past statements. Neither mention this, which would have been his most recent.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Ahhh Anadolu Agency, I love getting my sweet news from Turkish state propaganda!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Mask off boys we got Genocide Joe backing us.