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I only play single player campaings exclusively, I only buy games based on the campaign, I never play multiplayer, not one.

Does high framerate really make for better gameplay in a campaign? Is 120fps noticable over 60?

I play on 60Hz now at ultra. Is 120fps Cyberpunk really a better experience than 60fps Cyberpunk?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It would be noticable for sure. Better? That's kind of subjective for SP. It's only objectively better in MP where reaction time is crucial, since you'll have less visual latency thus giving you an advantage in reaction time.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Depends on the game, in DOOM and Ghostrunner it’s very noticeable.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

I don't know Ghostrunner but I could seen it being beneficial in DOOM, although I don't own it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

it mostly makes a difference for fast moving action

like doom or whatever

i wouldn't say cyberpunk is "fast moving" but .. i mean, high frame rates are always better, IMO.

I prefer it, and recently got me some 165 Hz monitors. they've been great.

i also mostly play singleplayer games. the multiplayer games i do play, are co-op. like diablo.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

TLDR: it won't affect the gameplay. It is a noticeable upgrade but probably not as much as having higher graphics, what you prioritize is up to you but you won't really notice it is at 60 if you haven't played at 144 before.

Better gameplay? No definitely not, even for shooters unless you are at a really high skill level it is extremely improvablebit actually affects youe skill if thr frames are consistent.

It is notable, in the sense that if you play at 144 fps when you go back to 60 fps you can feel yhe difference, but after a few hours you stop noticing it. The most important thing is consistentcy, as long as you have no frame drops you will be so focused on the game that it being lower frames is irrelevant. And you will (probably) need to lower the graphics to run cyberpunk at 144 and it will be more noticeable than the frames, especially if you don't play at 144 before. It is of course nice to play at 144, but at the end of the day it is a matter of personal preference on single player games if you go for frames or graphics.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I full recognize the need for high framerate in multiplayer for faster response timing, but I'm not convinced that 144hz will make campaigns a significantly better experience.

I plan at some point to buy 4K 120hz to try it, I'm trying to understand how much framerate matters for singleplayer since the entire game is played locally on the machine.

I don't own Cyberpunk, I use that as an example of of a Songle player only, no online play. I can't imagine 144fps Cyberpunk is a big deal on high graphics.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Even moving the mouse and windows around and scrolling is more enjoyable on 120Hz. Yes, it makes single player games a better experience as well.

But you're right, you get used to lower refresh rate as well.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Linus tech tips did an experiment to see if 144hz over 60hz objectively made a difference. It absolutely does. Any game where you use your reflexes, it will help.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The typical human reaction time to visual stimulus is ~250 milliseconds. On a 60hz screen you need to wait 17ms for the frame to appear, then 250ms before you're able to react. 267ms total. Switch to a 144hz screen and you only need to wait 7ms for the frame to appear, then 250ms to react. 257ms total. I'm sure that 10ms saving makes a huge difference...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you not have experience playing on both?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I made the jump from 60hz to 144hz a year or so ago, and more recently from 1080p 144hz to 1440p 165hz.

Refresh rate wise, it was night and day.

It felt way more responsive and just all around looked better imo.

Edit: I will mention that if you don’t have a gpu capable of pushing consistent frames that high in your choice of games, it is 100% not worth it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What singple player campaigns have you noticed a signficant difference in response time when pkaying at 144fps? Only campaign, I never ever play online multiplayer.

I can't do high framerate now, but for next gen in 2 years I want to buy a 4K card.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I exclusively play single player titles.

I feel like the increased frame rates helped with my response times in combat on God of War and Horizon Zero Dawn. If you play games with lock-on targeting you’ll notice it a lot less, but it feels like it’s helped with my tracking a good bit. Could be me perceiving it that way due to the game “appearing” to run smoother.

The faster paced the game is, the more of a difference you’re going to notice. For me it’s a hard preference now, but it’s hard to recommend to someone that hasn’t tried it for themselves, especially if you don’t currently have the hardware to fully utilize it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It definitely makes a difference in fast paced games like Doom.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Make a difference how? Because he asked if it makes for better gameplay, which I interpreted as an advantage in game (ex. Reaction time) instead of how smooth it feels, which for advantage it really shouldn't matter for a singleplayer game that doesn't require to be milliseconds faster than the oponent and isn't designed with such minute differenses, unlike csgo. Because of that it really doesn't make a difference gameplay wise.

But if it's about how it feels, I agree that they feel different, once you go back to 60 it feels less fluid, but it won't really change your results in game. And that difference is only noticeable once you play at 144 so it isn't necessary recommendedable to spend a lot of money in a new monitor.

But at the end of the day, it is about personal preference if you are going for graphics on ultra or 144hz/fps and graphics on high as it's a difference on how the game feels, the best thing is to go to a hardware store and ask if you can test a monitor or see if a friend has one to see if the difference on feeling for the fps is worth the money for the new monitor

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It's eye candy, it's more enjoyable to play. Will it make you a better player? Debatable, probably not really, but it's still fun and looks amazing.