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The animating concept behind the Trump campaign will be chaos. This is what history shows us fascists do when given the chance to participate in democratic political campaigns: They create chaos. They do it because chaos works to their advantage. They revel in it, because they can see how profoundly chaos unnerves democratic-republicans—everyone, that is, whether liberal or conservative, who believes in the basic idea of a representative government that is built around neutral rules. Fascism exists to pulverize neutral rules.

So they campaign with explicit intention to instill a sense of chaos. And then comes the topper: They have the audacity to insist that the only solution to the chaos—that they themselves have either grossly exaggerated or in some cases created!—is to vote for them: “You see, there is nothing but chaos afoot, and only we can restore order!”

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

How common are faithless electors?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How willing is the system to punish them? And if not the system, how willing are the people?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

My question is a statistical inquiry. Your question is a bit more complex, I'm not even sure what that data would look like.

I was able to find this at least.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not very. The real problem is straight up fake electors. With the State Secretary office sending a legitimate group and the legislature sending another.

All they need to do is stall that process long enough to either toss the election into Congress or have SCOTUS illegally intervene again

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

The real problem is no one votes. It's the bare minimum level of effort. It's the participation trophy. They can do all that because we put them there with embarrassingly bad voter turnout. We spend more time complaining than actually voting.

All of those problems are the symptoms of an unrepresentative government, and a government tends to represent the people who vote for them. If no one votes, they'll listen to the highest bidder.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (19 children)

The illusion of choice: vote for a senile old man or a senile old man that would consider turning minorities into Big Macs because he is hungry

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Short Answer: No

Long Answer: I'm prepared for the Republicans to do the most blatantly illegal and immoral thing to steal the election, for Democrats to wave their finger if they feel an "aww shucks" isn't good enough, and for Democracy to die so Decorum may live... and for the Media to pretend it's not happening while they parrot "BoTh SiDeS", Comedians will call it as it is, but that'll be the extent of it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The electoral system in the US has been going increasingly downhill. It's sad that it also affects the rest of the world as well.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I love how it's the dem's responsibility to keep conservatives from destroying the country - oh wait, no, it's been that way since bush ran the economy into the shitter, er, no, not that bush, the other bush & reagan. Somehow conservatives always present some kind of existential threat to the democracy that's the left's job to fix again and again.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I don't know who newrepublic.com is, and I'm no fan of Israel and its homicidal reactionism right now, but if you think that there's any chance at all that this is going to make me vote for a goddamn insurrectionist sociopath over the guy I occasionally have policy disagreements with, you are an absolute waste of oxygen.

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