Blåhaj Lemmy is a Lemmy instance attached to blahaj.zone. This is a group for questions or discussions relevant to either instance.
I personally am quite against it. I joined Lemmy to stay away from the toxicity on Meta's platforms. I don't want any corporate bodies on the fediverse either and possibly doing to the fediverse what Google did to XMPP
We have completely blocked and defederated from threads given the uncontrolled transphobia taking place there
Seems clear to me that Facebook should have no other interest in this other than ultimately making money. Thus it is antithetical to Lemmy and the fediverse in general, and should be treated as such.
I don't think they're there to make money. They want to take over the place and then absorb it in other to eliminate competition. Which is what they've always been doing.
elimining competition is kind of totally a tactic to make money dude 👍
I mean, yeah, the end game there is to make money. They don't want to take it over for brownie points.
Not really, they're businesses that sell fediverse hosting, right?
While I’m sure that one-click hosting for fediverse instances exist, I’d imagine most instance admins would be using general dedicated server hosting. It would allow for finer control of the backend.
My main mastodon uses one of the hosted services, which I'm totally fine with. Moderating a community is hard enough without adding extra sysadmin work on top, and I'm happy to donate towards the running costs whatever way the admins choose is best to run it.
The fact that Threads won't launch in Europe because it's literally illegal there tells me everything I need to know about this platform. Do not trust Facebook, do not federate with Facebook.
If only US would have sane laws too...
Agreeing with the general sentiment. Anytime the big five 'engage' with the open source community they just use and abuse it. IMHO it would be in the best interest of the Fediverse to reject all partnership offers from the corps and make sure to defederate any instances they stand up.
You do realize that most of these projects are funded by cooperations, right? You do realize that the EU has a mastodon instance, right? You do realize that Mozilla has a mastodon instance, right? You also realize that mastodon is a cooperation rigbt? (Granted it is a nonprofit).
You do realize that most mastodon instantces are in some way affilated with a cooperation, right? Just by proxy. Using their servers, etc
I'm still trying to figure out meta's Intention's, I have no problem meta monetizing their app. There is zero problems there.
The intention is to hoover up user data and capitalize on it.
Why are you defending Meta so much
They really think we never learned from google+ or WhatsApp? They implement OpenSource, greedy milk it to the ground and close it or set their propetary code over it. Nothing has changed, we should be worried about activitypub since the greedy five are interested in it.
did whatsapp ever allow communication with other instances?
I can already see it. They will offer a solution to the identity “problem”, moving user accounts to their network. They will offer “free” hosting solutions so that more people can run communities without self-hosting. Over the course of years they will slowly inject ads, tracking, the typical enshitificaton fare.
I’m tired.
Literally my first exposure to Threads as an active web service tells me that even if it weren't a blatant attempt at Embrace-Extend-Extinguish, you do not want to be federated with it. All your "favourites" from Twitter are there.
Jesus Christ how horrifying
Ahem.
YOUR DATA
our data
I have seen the word "defederation" thrown around a lot. What would this mean for the average Blåhaj zone user if we defederated?
Basically a big brick wall between the two instances. Their posts and users wouldn't show up here. It'd be like they don't exist.
As I said in another post, this oddly reminds me of the XMPP days and how Facebook and Google supported it in the beginning and then dumped it once they had enough users over to their side.
Absolutely terrible. No cooperation should force users to creat a proprietary account for using the fediverse. Also meta evil.
A lot of people are using the same user handle accross platforms. That's an easy way to deanonimize people's data, and that's what is Meta aiming for (besides potential EEE tactics).
I've tried thread's but ofc im not using it
People should note: this is an instance meta community not a place for general discussion outside of lemmy.blahaj.zone
Thank god Kbin allows to block an entire instance. Although I’d prefer if the fediverse collectively defederated from them.
One thing they've started mentioning over on Mastodon is that boosts can probably be legally used to build ad profiles.
I'm sure the GDPR won't cause them any problems in that regard, just like there haven't been repeated rulings from the ECJ that that's not okay to do with Facebook user data.
It isn't available in Europe because it's literally illegal here
That's the stupidest idea I've heard in my life.
It's literally true, can you just stop this meta-dickriding?
It's a double edged sword. I like the idea of activityPub getting more focus so it can be optimized and improved. I hate the idea of getting low quality Facebook style spam. I get that you can block things but I'd rather it just not be there
I like the idea of activityPub getting more focus so it can be optimized and improved.
Just like Google did with XMPP, most of those improvements will be for Threads/Meta only while making the rest of the fediverse look subpar.
Honestly - good. If that keeps the “normal” users on that platform, which will likely be defederated, I’m perfectly fine with that.
There’s a large population difference between the current fediverse and XMPP in the past. I think there are enough people who would stay on the non-mainstream platform to keep it alive.
Users on the Fediverse are also much more wary of large tech companies this time around.
What is Meta doing? What is Threads?
Threads is Meta's first social platform on the fediverse. It's been marketed as a Twitter alternative and is growing insanely fast.
I mean isn’t that the beauty of it? You don’t have to subscribe to anything meta and you can join servers that actively block it. I think it’s a good thing if it gets more users on activity pub so our communities can thrive.
I think you are lost. This is an instance meta where that discussion is being had. We are discussing lemmy.blahaj.zone
In an ideal world, I would agree with this, but as OP mentioned, the worry is they'll do something similar to what Google did with XMPP. Meta starts adding non-standard features and extensions to activity pub, grows their platform to the point where all other instances are forced to adopt the same standard, then they defederate to close off the ecosystem, making them the only option for many to stay connected. I feel like the only way to not fall into that trap is to either not bother copying whatever proprietary stuff they add right from the start or not federate with them to begin with. If there are alternatives I'm not considering, I would love to hear them.