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The Epic question: How Google lost when Apple won | How is Google running an illegal monopoly with the Play store — while Apple’s App Store is in the clear? (www.theverge.com)
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The Epic question: How Google lost when Apple won | How is Google running an illegal monopoly with the Play store — while Apple’s App Store is in the clear?::How is Google running an illegal monopoly with the Play store — while Apple’s App Store is in the clear?

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 10 months ago (2 children)

At the end of the day, this was kind of a different legal battle. Google negotiated one-off deals with big tech companies, and some of those companies are getting better deals than their competitors.

Apple doesn’t appear to do that. The marketplace has one set of rules that apply to everyone. Spotify doesn’t have different a AppStore contract than Tidal.

For all we know, Google may have won this case if they simply made everyone abide by the same contract. Playing king maker kind of fucked them.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago (2 children)

This is the answer.

Apple wasn't abusing their monopoly, while "Don't Be Evil" Google was colluding to protect theirs.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

A monopoly is inherently abusive. It abuses centralized power to gain more power. But I would argue that Apple built their monopoly "honestly" from the ground up, and from day one the rules haven't changed. Google started with an open platform, and sneakily changed the rules and made deals to get their monopoly.

Both are objectively bad. But Google's method was more open to legal scrutiny, in hindsight.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Apple change the rules right under people's apps all the time, in much more scumbag ways, e.g. https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/16/22676706/apple-watch-swipe-keyboard-flicktype-lawsuit-kosta-eleftheriou

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Fair, they do shit like that. But this case was about app stores specifically, and they haven't allowed alternate app stores since day one.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

The fact that one kind of monopoly isn't abuse on technical grounds (but still is abuse is in many other ways) but another monopoly is abuse is exactly the problem being highlighted. Why are we just sweeping this problem under the rug of public opinion?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

It could also be how the Apple trial was just in front of the judge, but the Google trial went to a my jury. Could Epic have had a different result if they requested a jury trial the first time?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

It’s a fight that Apple previously (mostly) won in a similar trial in 2021, beating claims that it had violated antitrust laws by charging mandatory in-app transaction fees and kicking Epic’s game Fortnite off the App Store.

Google tried a similar move, but in its case, a jury found it had maintained an unlawful monopoly with the Play store; a judge is scheduled to consider remedies next month.

Epic’s lawyers could present details about these agreements and argue they showed Google using its power in one layer of the phone market to shut down competition in another.

But Google’s own internal emails and strategic plans clearly showed that those execs wanted to block rival app stores, and the jury was here for it.

It turned out that Google had set all one-on-one chats to automatically delete themselves after 24 hours by default, and employees all the way up to the CEO intentionally used that to make certain conversations disappear.

Not only did the jury see this, at least one juror decided that Sundar Pichai wasn’t credible on the stand, and that the deleted chats were a factor in their decision to give Epic the win.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

As much as I don't like epic mega games as a game company I don't think a company should get a cut of every purchase made in an app on their platform. Sure if you want to use googles or apples payment gateway, but you shouldn't have too.