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This search should obviously return the official Docker Hub Redis image, https://hub.docker.com/_/redis, but it's just a bunch of blogs.

On DuckDuckGo the first result is the Docker Hub image, which is what everyone would want.

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[–] [email protected] 107 points 10 months ago

Google definitely has its moments of returning crap results, but you chose a terrible example.

Results from both docker and redis, on topic for exactly what you asked for.

Why even use Google at all, when you could search docker hub If that’s what you knew you wanted.

[–] [email protected] 98 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You asked for docker redis image, received docker.com talking about redis, and redis.io talking about docker

Idk that seems pretty on the point to me

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

With such a query the first expected result would be https://hub.docker.com/_/redis, and then blog posts if really that's what you want.

On my device I cannot find a link to dockerhub at all with the same query.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I don’t see the problem here. Those are the pages with the download links (and also instructions to use them, for folks who need it)

What did you want, a direct download link to a file? An FTP site?

You literally got what you asked for. There are plenty of examples of Google search sucking, this is you just being pissy because there’s instructions on a download page.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago

This search should obviously return the official Docker Hub Redis image, https://hub.docker.com/_/redis,

That's what they wanted and it's the first result in seemingly every other search engine.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 10 months ago

If you think that's bad, try googling something related to Android.
All the results are shitty blog posts full of padding text with grammar and spelling mistakes.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 10 months ago (2 children)

For anyone wondering, here's that same query in DDG (zoomed out to show same amount of results)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

This is the moment I switch to DDG. I started using google in 2003 and I think I’m done now.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

This is definitely what I'd want if I search for this

[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago (1 children)

man SEO really has managed to break search. There's so many random blogs that just have pretty much just your search terms in the title and rarely have anything else of use.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

There's usually just AI-generated meandering with no actual information in it.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 10 months ago (9 children)

idk.... the first two results seem both relevant and authoritative.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

You may not be a developer, but the first expected result with that query would be a link to https://hub.docker.com/_/redis

Google is really bad at this for some reason and will point you to blogs that as a dev I don't care in the slightest. Hell, using the same query I cannot find a single link to dockerhub on my device, it's extremely frustrating

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I agree with OP here, these results are not great.

OP searched for the redis docker image, not a tutorial on how to use it, not a tutorial on why redis should be run in docker, and did not search for redis docker docs. While these are relevant, they should be further down, not the top result. DDG gets this right, and I'm pretty sure other search engines do too.

For a total newbie, these results are probably OK, but for a technical person who knows what they want literally as they type it, Google's results are (excuse my french) simply shit. DDG is miles better at handling this stuff, and they don't need your personal data to do it well either.

Edit: Just went and searched "redis docker image" in a private tab on Google, and the docker hub image for Redis is not even shown on the first page of results

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This search should obviously return the official Docker Hub Redis image

It's the 5th result for me.

Don't really see the "gore" ... those are all relevant results.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

I searched for help on a game I was playing the other day and got 300 results, all the same forum post. Like, the exact same post 300 times

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

On kagi, the first result is also the docker hub link. This example is not actually that bad though, the first 2 results at least still relevant (from docker and redis domains) instead of some random blogspam (3rd result).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Funny I unintentionally searched kagi with the keywords in the wrong order - and got it in the first resultkagi search results with image link first

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

It's the second result for me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Kagi is so good

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Just for fun let's compare the search results of docker redis image:

  • Google results - A, B, C, D*, E
  • DDG results - E, A, B, F*, G*
  • Bing results - A, E, B, C, G* (Bing throws up a bunch of Cards, which i ignored for these comparisons)

So more or less the same high quality results in the top 5 results across the engines, with a little reordering going on.

the* means blog spam.

  • A - docker.com
  • B - Redis.io
  • C - github docker-library
  • D* - Kinsta.com
  • E - hub.docker.com
  • F* - How to geek
  • G* - phoenixnap
[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

I had a similar experience today. I wanted to run a battlefield 2042 server and forgot the URL.

(It’s https://portal.battlefield.com)

So I google searched for “Run a battlefield 2042 server” thinking obviously that would lead to that page. Nope, all it gave me were blog posts and wikihow shit.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Isn't duckduckgo just bing with disabled tracking?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

cough-bing is actually alright, sorry-cough

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I was searching how to cast the screen on an Android phone through USB yesterday, and I had to go through pages of "free" Play Store apps and their shitty tutorials, some of which I downloaded, (one had 50 million downloads) two of which were identical skins of each other that wanted payment information and charged $20 a month after a week long trial, to eventually find out it's a default included option on any Samsung phone and can be found in some settings. Google search has completely gone to shit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

If you're still looking for a solution, I highly recommend "scrcpy" https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Oh it’s absolute garbage. It’s virtually impossible to look up anything and get an answer related to your question.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Get docker redis images cheap! at....

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I had moved to DDG a few years ago and enjoyed it until around the middle of this year when I started getting less and less relevant results.

Started using (and yes, paying for) Kagi 3 or so months ago and it's amazing going back to searches that actually work again. I don't know how well I'd handle moving back to an ad supported search provider.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

!docker redis DDG bangs are the way.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

don't need to bang that one out. docker redis image hit the mark, top result.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

These things aren’t smart. They don’t know the context of your search. It doesn’t ask “why are they looking for [keyword]”, it just matches to results that score strongly for the keyword. Yeah, blogs tend to suck up the traffic but the results you got are 1 step away from what you were actually looking for but didn’t include in the search prompt.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The real problem is that the internet is being littered by AI generated articles and blog posts. Optimizing your SEO has never been easier because how quickly it can analyse key words / trends etc. This process used to be extremely time consuming- not anymore.

So now we have content that is generated for the sole purpose of getting traffic and serve no real value, competing with actual genuine sources. That's why we're seeing a shift in our search results.

Ideally search engines now have to adapt and learn to differentiate between "real" and AI generated content. but just like global warming I fear we've gone beyond the point of no return, and must suffer the consequences.

@Dagamant

@cozy_agent

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There's still hope, we just need to actively sabotage these SEO hubs. The easiest and safest one would be an SEO site flagger plugin that would hide links to sites predominately featuring SEO garbage.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

The results you got make perfect sense, if you knew exactly what you wanted, why were you using a search engine to begin with? If you wanted the docker redis image, why didn't you just go to it directly instead of searching for it? Do you put your home address into a GPS and follow it turn by turn, or do you just go home?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I know, right? Google Search has been particularly sheet for the last couple of years.
It's, honestly, mind boggling just how bad things got with it.

The only stuff it's still usually better at finding, compared to other search engines, is super obscure stuff on super obscure sites. Which makes sense, I suppose: hardly anyone has fingers as grabby and far reaching as Google.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

$ docker search --filter is-official=true redis

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

.....did you even bother clicking the Images tab before creating this post?

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