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Anyone who thinks a sitting president won't be the party nominee in the next election (barring a case like LBJ who voluntarily chose not to run) is deluding themselves.
The only thing that could stop Biden at this point is some kind of medical intervention.
The state of the country is so bad that the only thing that bring it back is literally two accidental medical interventions. Our political system needs a major overhaul
The state of the country is so bad that...
Fundamentally disagree. If Trump and Biden both died on the same day before the election, it would not change a thing, other than make the next election even more contentious. Project 2025 doesn't go away just because Trump would be gone in that scenario.
Our political system needs a major overhaul
Agreed. It's going to take decades of concerted efforts, because the fascists aren't simply going to give up after a few losses.
It's not as if any other Republican candidate won't be a frothing fascist. We've got fucking DeSantis heeling in the wings.
And there aren't any other Democrats with enough name recognition to put forward a good game at this point. Maybe if Biden had announced he wouldn't seek a 2nd term in 2020 we'd have someone. But a sudden double-death before the general election is going to be MUCH more likely to favor a Republican.
Gavin Newsom is salivating for it, he'll be the go-to guy in '28, but someone will have to tell Harris nobody likes her.
He even vetoed all those bills to appeal to party leadership.
I’d argue AOC has the name recognition, but she’d be way too polarizing to ever get her past the establishment.
ATM that would leave a Christian Nationalist as the president. What a wonderful system we have...
Biden should have he sense to stop Biden. And there should be an upper age limit placed on the role.
That would make a Trump victory significantly more likely. Throwing away incumbent advantage is incredibly stupid if you want to win.
Is incumbency really that big an advantage? The circumstances some, Clinton, W. Bush and Obama's second terms were quite unique and prior to those 3 only 13 others have done the consecutive terms thing. Out of 44.
I dunno... Two terms seems to be more common than that...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_United_States_by_time_in_office
14 Presidents serving at least 2 terms, FDR elected 4 times, Cleveland having 2 non-consecutive terms, then Nixon was elected twice and removed. McKinley and Lincoln elected twice and assassinated.
Upper age limit would require an amendment.
No objection to amendment for this issue.
My heart is with you but do you remember the last primarys? 2016 they were not. I liked some of those folks, some even more than Biden, but there was no "Obama 2.0".
I strongly dislike Joe for 1132 different reasons, but can you really imagine spooling up anyone else at this point?
I hate it. And I hope the dem party fractures into factions and the best can get through. Just after the GOP finishes it's implosion because it's terrifying.
Edit: I also had serious misgivings with Obama. But my point is of the dem primary cantidates leading up 2020 the best you can say is they were as memorable as Howard Dean.
An absolutely massive controversy could see him stepping down or losing the primary, but he hasn't had anything like that.
But there's almost no chance to beat both an incumbency bias and name recognition. Maybe if there was another contender as popular and well known they'd have a shot but probably still slim.
When was the last time a incumbent president has been defeated by a primary challenger?
In short, never. At least not in the era of modern primaries where people have a chance to vote on who will be the candidate, rather than just party leaders selecting the candidate, which began in the 1970s.
If you go back further in time, there's been a few incidents where party leaders denied their endorsement to an election incumbent for various reasons.
https://time.com/5682760/incumbent-presidents-primary-challenges/
Dean who?
From Gilmore Girls, I think.
The deadline for parties to submit a list of approved candidates to state election officials is Thursday.
But Florida Democrats acted before then, sending a notice on Nov. 1 to the state that had Biden as the only primary candidate. Phillips had entered the race a few days earlier, and self-help guru Marianne Williamson had been campaigning for months by then.
So when they submitted the candidate list the Dems only had one serious candidate and nothing has changed since then. Got it.
Democrats: Trump winning the 2024 election is an eminent threat to our democracy
-- 2024 DNC Primaries --
Also Democrats : Move on there is nothing to see here
Well it is consistent with what the Dems did to Bernie during the 2016 and 2020 election cycles.
Primaries should not be canceled.
Primaries exist solely to benefit the parties.
Remember that. The states spend a lot of resources to hold primaries, but at the end of the day the purpose is to help each party have their best shot of winning the general election. If the state Democrats think this is their best option, so be it.
I mean, it's not like Democrats have convincingly pretended that the results of the primaries aren't preordained since 2016. They're just dropping the act.
Who?
The challenger that's polling 1%, he's there so they don't have to mention Marianne Williamson who's polling at 10+%.