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DF Weekly: Do we actually need The Last of Us Part 2 and Horizon Zero Dawn remasters? (www.eurogamer.net)
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[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (3 children)

No. They were released like 5 years ago. It's one gen old. How about remastering shit from. Like 15+ years ago? What about Goldeneye or Nightfire? No that Daniel Craig abomination of a game doesn't count. Or that weird villain one. Or just ACTUALLY remastering. Resident Evil 3 was offensively bad and as much as I love the remakes of 2 and 4 (Minus whatever the hell Adas performance was in 4), why was a remaster such an awful concept?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What was wrong with “that Daniel Craig abomination”? That game was awesome and an incredibly good recreation of the original.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

What was wrong with that game?

Daniel Craig.

It was a Brosnan movie and Brosnan game. It angered me to hell they had the nerve to already refuse to honor their promise with Brosnan (He was supposed to make more Bond movies) and then take away something that was his and give it to him. There was no even asking of Brosnan either. They just made it Craig.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, it was a James Bond movie and a James Bond game. Craig was the current Bond. You’re confusing business decisions with whether or not the game was good. It was. It wasn’t an abomination.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

No. It was a BROSNAN movie and a BROSNAN game. Your point doesn't hold up remotely given every Bond has had their own extremely distinct vibes and that according to bond lore, Craig wasn't even a 00 during the events of Goldeneye. When you compare the Brosnan bond to Craig's bond in that game they're not even remotely similar.

The game was an abomination.

Not continuing this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Brosnan was an actor. He was paid to play a character. James Bond is a character. He has been played by many different actors. It’s not like they just took the old GoldenEye and slapped Craig’s face on it. You’re being ridiculous. It was a great game.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

1 generation that was a dogshit excuse for a CPU when it was released a decade ago.

The PS5 SoC is genuinely a solid piece of tech. The performance is reasonable and the hardware features (primarily the hardware compression/decompression to accelerate data loading) actually matter.

The time between games doesn't matter when the hardware is night and day.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yes. The hardware is night and day. At least between the PS4 and every other game released on another console.

Plenty of shit to remaster that wasn't just released. Keep talking about the hardware strength. It's utterly irrelevant to my complaint. You don't get to have a remaster the moment its released just because new tech happens to come out.

Plenty of other games to work on that deserve a chance instead of some AAAA game forcing it's way to the front of every queue.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Age is completely irrelevant. The purpose of a remaster is and always has been to take advantage of newer hardware. The difference in hardware, in and of itself, justifies a remaster. There is a huge difference mechanically in the gameplay between Zero Dawn and Forbidden West. I haven't played the PS5 version of the Last of Us, but I'm assuming it's the same.

The games were held back significantly by the hardware, and because they're done with modern tooling, they can be done a lot more easily than older games, allowing them to pass the savings on by giving you a cheap upgrade if you own it. They're nothing projects, and aren't holding back other projects.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

See previous comment. There's nothing I can add to this. Especially that you haven't already ignored. Have the same energy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Like Alex said, it starts to make sense if they bring it to PC, but they should call it a director's cut, not a remaster.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It’s not a director’s cut, though. Words have meanings. A remaster reuses assets but may contain reexported versions of assets at higher quality than the original. A director’s cut is using the same assets, at the same settings, but with editorial changes or unused pieces reinserted. They’re not the same thing.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

A director’s cut is using the same assets, at the same settings [...]

I don't think that's how Sony has been using the term lately.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That’s irrelevant. Words have meanings. Just because they’re using the wrong words doesn’t excuse that it’s wrong.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

If they are porting a game and while they do so they:

  1. Add features
  2. Clean up some assets and/or target resolution, frame rate, etc. as appropriate for the new platform.

#1 Would qualify it as a DC, but according to OP, #2 would disqualify it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

It would not. The term “director’s cut” means editorial changes only.

Each of these terms has a specific usage in development:

Director’s Cut - No new assets are created. Existing assets that were created originally and cut may be added back but no code changes are made and changes are editorial only.

Remaster - No new assets are created. Existing assets may re-exported at higher qualities or fidelities to make use of newer systems and technologies but code changes are rare and only made when necessary to make the game work on newer systems or take advantage of features that can be used with existing assets.

Remake - Assets are recreated from the ground up and code is rewritten from scratch. Existing assets and code may be used as starting points or as references but are not included in the final product or are materially changed so as to be considered different versions.

I’m not sure who you mean by OP #2 so I’ll ignore the subjectivity of those posts and just leave it at that. In your example, #1 would not qualify as a DC and #2 would be considered a remaster, not a DC. Sony’s usage is consistent with the developer language used in other companies. E.g., Last of Us Part I is a remake - levels were changed and new assets were created, FFVII is a Remake - new levels and assets were created, LoU2 is a remaster - new assets aren’t created but were exported at higher fidelity while taking advantage of new capabilities of newer platforms.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Sorry "OP #2" was unclear, I've inserted a comma to separate the terms.

The comment I quoted from originally claims:

A director’s cut is using the same assets, at the same settings, but with editorial changes or unused pieces reinserted.

Sony's PS5 ports of Death Stranding and Ghosts of Tsushima had both additional content and improved framerate/resolution/etc to target the new platform.

To my mind Sony's branding of ports these as DC was cynical marketing move, and effort to sell the upgrade to people why had already played the original when it was released.

Despite my scepticism I think the Director's Cut label can be applied accurately as they had added some extra content too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It seems like the part that you’re missing, though, is that the content that was “added” in the DC’s for those games was already created and was cut upon release. They didn’t release the game and then create new content for those games after release for the DC, they just released the content that wasn’t finished. In the case of GoT, for example, the extra island was DLC that was cut initially in favor of the multiplayer mode. When they got the opportunity to release the DC, they simply added back that content.

In those cases, Director’s Cut is correct for what it is because none of the existing game was modified and the new content that was added was already created content that was cut from the original game (or, in some cases, originally meant as DLC that was scrapped/cut).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Cool, I'm glad people feel the added content appropriately qualifies for the DC label, but my initial point was simply that Sony certainly didn't feel adding PS5 features to target the new platform didn't disqualify them from using the label.

As for the new games, I would be surprised if they were straight ports. I would expect them to want a new feature, storyline, or enemy type to use in marketing as they resell it to the same audience that bought it the first time. For any AAA project there are a lot of scrapped ideas along the.way so it would be easy to find something.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I guess I’m confused then. They didn’t add features. Higher frame rates and resolutions aren’t new features, they’re just free additions that developers get from updated build processes. There’s no reason why those would “disqualify” them.

As for the other stuff, I don’t think the people who have already played these games are the target, as you suggest. Remasters are typically for people that didn’t play the original or missed it on its original system. Remakes are usually for existing players who want an updated experience.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Really, I'd just like to play and own Last of Us Part 2 on Steam...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

The upcoming remaster will definitely come to PC, but we're still waiting for the Steam page.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Do we ever need any remaster? Most are entirely unnecessary. Bloodborne though...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

A remaster of a modern game probably just involves creating (or even just generating) some higher res art assets and some minor new features (like support for adaptive triggers). It’s not like they’re shutting down production of a Parappa the Rappa game for this.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago

Nope. But Sony, please, Bloodborne 60fps

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Nope. They're not even that old. I haven't even gotten to playing TLOU2 yet and it feels like that just came out last year to me.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Well I haven’t played those games and I probably would if they remaster them. I didn’t have a PS4 so I’m kinda the target audience.

Keep in mind that a remaster is not comparable to creating a new game or even a remake like RE4. This is low-effort and high-yield, so expect to see more of it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I see this all the time on Lenny but it’s so pervasive it’s annoying now (“this” meaning people whining about things they’re not the target of). You’re 100% right. These are easier ways for studios to make back money via a newer target audience. They’re not meant for people who have already played the games. Not every product is for everyone and companies will definitely try to squeeze every dollar out of work already done that they can.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Why not make a new IP instead of remakes? I think mostly because it is easier to do a remake and doesn't cost as much.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

These are remasters. It's not anything like the effort of making a new game, you can do both.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, we don't. Where the fuck is Drakenguard, Destroy All Monsters, Monster Rancher, A New Spyro IP, Gauntlet?

I know these are all different studios (excep Spyro). But there are countless great IPs left in the dust right now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

There's been SOME activity in MR in the last couple years...
MR1&2DX is a remaster of the first 2 games with some QoL improvements, on Switch, Steam, iOS, released in 2021
Ultra Kaiju Monster Rancher is a crossover, though only on Switch, released in 2022
LINE:Monster Farm is a JP only mobile gacha game released in 2023, but some folks hope it will come to the west... it has some amazing artwork.

There's also hope for MR3&4 "DX" release but those weren't very financially successful originally, so it's probably unlikely they'll be rereleased, but everyone's huffin' that hopium.