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Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).

Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word "Linux" in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Personally Linux has everything I want. Kind of per definition. If it's not available for Linux I don't care about it. I would use Windows if I had to use it for work.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

So then your answer is irrelevant to the question.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nothing. Not even Wayland and Systemd will force me off of Linux.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Right? Even the "ick" parts of linux i'd take over osx or windows

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

That's the neat part: you don't have to take the icky parts. Just use artix instead of arch to not use systemd

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

What makes you not want to use Linux anymore

Your question is malformed because even the odd troubles of Linux these days are absolutely nothing compared to the hoops I used to go through to try to get a Kernel built for my hardware 25 years ago. The occasional non-working speaker or other config issue is tiny. It doesn't even register as a problem.

Compare that to the shit show that is Windows? Fuck that OS. I try not to be very vocal when I meet people about it, but Windows just won't be a choice for me. I've turned down jobs because it would move me to a Windows house for tools. It's not worth living in that kind of hellhole UI design and wrestling with whatever enshittification MSFT has driven down your crop with the latest updates. I have a life to live and wrestling with my OS isn't what I'm going to spend it doing.

I don't know much about the current MacOS environment these days. I stopped in the OSX 10.4 days. I just don't have the hardware to consider it, so no real opinion.

So... your question is malformed because it's not even worth considering and I've got a quarter century of experience to back that one up.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I already have a 60+ hour per week job. I don't need a second one, endlessly diagnosing why the simplest of tasks are constantly breaking.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I always install Linux, 1-2 times per year but in the end I always go back to Windows. I have apps which are Windows only but whenever I want to change display scaling to 125% on Linux, is when I slowly start losing interest in it.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

The only thing that drives me nuts on a regular basis is the lack of fully functional Microsoft apps. Specifically Teams and Outlook. Unfortunately I work with Microsoft shops constantly and need those two apps. Outlook PWA has issues and freezes constantly. Teams PWA just doesn't do notifications.

That's it.

But Windows blows and Macs are just too damned expensive.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

As a former Arch/Debian enjoyer on all my rigs in between 2012-2017, I can say several things but they might be outdated as of now. I haven't rechecked it so here goes the list of things at that age:

  • Anything remotely related to Nvidia, especially if you had switchable laptop graphics. Running games was a nightmare and a coin flip. Sometimes you can get games to work, but you got an awful screen tearing even in OS, sometimes it's vice versa.

  • PulseAudio was problematic. Sometimes booting the pc up resulted into missing audio output or input, or both. Sometimes, under heavy load, lots of audio was crackling until PulseAudio server was rebooted. Rebooting PulseAudio required restarting many apps so they even produce sound.

  • Drove away for like 2 months, came back to dead Arch install after updating it. Switched to Debian cause I realized I value stability over newer stuff. Until I bought newer hardware which just didn't work at all, can't recall what that was to be honest.

  • At least during 2012-2015-ish, any browser scrolling was jittery. Like, any. I heard it's fixed right now but every time I used to boot Windows, it was completely different web experience.

  • As soon as I started using laptops, I noticed that my battery was draining like 2-3 times as fast. Shouldn't be an issue nowadays I hope.

  • Printing was hell of a nightmare. Especially when I tried bringing my laptop to the office printer.

  • Probably also related to Nvidia, but still: connecting external monitors never yielded out-of-the-box experience I expected to see. Nothing used proper resolution, scaling or refresh rates. Lots of things required manual configuration every time.

  • Office software in general. Thank god most people switched to web alternatives right now.

  • Back in 2012-ish years, Flash was still common and it generally refused to work in many distros. Especially with Nvidia graphics.

There are plenty more reasons I decided to ditch Linux on my workstations and the ones above are just "honorable mentions". The biggest thing I found myself doing is tinkering with my setup much more than doing actual work.

So currently I just use a Windows laptop and WSL when I need local Linux. And of course I monitor and configure hundreds of Linux machines at work. I also have a Macbook Pro 16 mainly for iOS apps debugging and watching movies in bed.

I can say I'm currently neutral to Linux, Mac and Windows these days. They have their own use cases for me and they all allow me to reach my goals in their own way. Just getting best of each world, I guess?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Raytracing performance. Though once I get my fill of cyberpunk that will fade.

The ease of being able to bork stuff when installing packages. I've borked my ability to run games through proton in some way. Between installing native and runtime Steam, and installing Waydroid and its kernel extensions I've made games not work where they are just fine on my Steam Deck. Now I gotta reinstall which kind of sucks and I don't have time for it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

nvidia, i swear most of the issues i experience are nvidia related in some way yeah i know using a GTX 1080 with a i7 12700k isn't like the best idea but when given the options of use said gpu and get reasonable framerates with the games im playing (but get massive headaches when something related to the proprietary linux driver eventually breaks, and it does) or use the igpu and get unplayable framerates (or low res) or unnecessarily buy a newer gpu that isn't that big of a jump in performance for me to justify the price I'm sticking with dealing with nvidia

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

I'm surprised that makes you want to move back to Windows instead of moving to another hardware platform. I guess it's cheaper to go back to Windows but I'd just rather support a company that supports what I do.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Bluetooth on Linux fucking sucks

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm too far down the rabbit hole. Everything I need works, I have built my workflow around sway.

Macs can go to hell because of their ctrl key placement alone; windows has never left hell, not much can be done about that.

I like owning my machine, even if it allows to shoot myself in the foot. With a shotgun. That is the true freedom, I suppose, and I appreciate it more than had ever expected.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I wish Linux had Powertoys Fancy Zones

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

kde plasma has it enabled by default. just drag your windows using shift. also press super + t to enter the editing mode

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

CAD Im not moving back, its more like moving back and forth

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Using Widows on my private rig now to play Fortnite with my son after ~15 years on Linux only. Also getting a MacBook Pro at work now, since I have to use Zoom and stuff like that everyday. Having no hardware acceleration on Linux is a no-go. This is not Linux' fault though. Also I'm old enough to just use the right tool for a job.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

I have a small, high DPI, laptop screen (<14") and I haven't been able to get all or even most of the software I use to scale properly. It always looks weird and eye strain is a real worry for me, so until this problem is solved I'll be a casual

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Hardware. I do all my work on a laptop and those Apple M series processors have been amazing for performance and battery life. I’ll stick with a Mac until those Qualcomm X Elite CPUs start getting shipped in Windows laptops next year. After using this Mac for the past year, I think I prefer Windows and WSL over MacOS or Linux. This whole post only applies to laptops though; Linux on desktop and servers for life.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Having to fiddle with some games, I need my DLSS. I'mnin this for live tho.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

I own a MacBook Air basically for GarageBand and other DAWs. I know how to get Jack to work. Pipewire made life easier. Still, music production on linux still sucks butts.

Too many butts for me to do anything other than other computer things and programming.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Very specific - linux mint occasionally... crashes? Goes back to lock screen randomly, and closes all open programs. Very annoying to have happen when playing Beyond All Reason with 15 other people, causing the game to pause while I scramble to get back in (if possible). Haven't looked into why too much, just went back to Windows to game. Mint for casual browsing and most else.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Self-hatred.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Nothing. I have used Linux since it was on the alphabet floppies.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

If not for internet security concerns, I would daily Windows 7 until they stopped making x86 chips altogether. Microsoft finally got everything right. Briefly.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

@mindbleach @ani I feel old saying I felt the same way about windows 2000

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

battery life kinda sucks

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

I tried to daily Linux on my laptop but gave up after about 6 months. The two major issues for me were the speakers amp and the fingerprint reader not being supported. The speakers wasn't that big of a problem because audio still worked so I could use headphones or Bluetooth. The fingerprint reader not working grew to be a major annoyance though, it's so much more convenient to use than typing out a password.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Sometimes not feeling like being part of the online friend group. But I won't switch to Windows, it's just too bad.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Video editing softwares definetely, kdenlive is nothing compared to stuff like sony vegas.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I am dualbooting but booting to windows fucks up my Bluetooth but I wanna boot to windows to play cyberpunk (I get almost half the fps on linux for that game spesifically), to play modded skyrim and fallout and last but not least run my ai chatbot for text adventures through koboldcpp (too difficult to build from scratch on linux) and oh fortnite, oh also roblox because I somehow fucked up grapejuice on linux and it crashes, if someone would.like to help me troubleshoot that hit me up. Other than that linux is awesome tho. Recently got.my openmw mods working. It is a treat.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

@ani honestly temple os just does what I need my computer to do nothing else can come close to it. I have tryed everything.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Game Maker is still only in beta for Linux. They warn against working on serious projects on it because it can just randomly break them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Well, based Terry absolutely makes me want to move to TempleOS

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