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    [–] [email protected] 70 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Running libreoffice for windows on wine

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

    Realer shit

    [–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Why do you need Ms office at all these days when you have libreoffice

    [–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago

    Because all your colleagues and collaborators use it because it comes free with the company...

    [–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)
    [–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

    Because it's not familiar. Onlyoffice looks like M$ Word 2019 though, so I'd much rather recommend that to ex-word users.

    [–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago

    Imagine paying 80 bucks to run office.

    [–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    What's wrong with just using Libre Office?

    [–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Never seems to get Office documents dodgy formatting right. OnlyOffice seems to do a much better job of replicating MS Office.

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago
    [–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)
    • Word? Markdown/((Xe)La)TeX!
    • PowerPoint? Beamer!
    • Excel? Well, fuck this; any proper programming language does the job waaaaay better;
    • Whatever their crappy attempt at db-s was called? Literally any non-crappy dbms.
    [–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Excel, not true. I mean libreoffice calc just works for a lot but not for easy basic graphs. And it does not do the job better at graphically ebabling users to do data analysis

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Wait what's the problem with graphs? I use it for basic graphs all the time.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Weird. For me some graphs didnt work and manipulating variables was veeery unintuitive (like "this is x" "this is y" "this is the scale"

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

    My use cases were pretty simple so maybe you ran into issues with using more features idk.

    [–] [email protected] -2 points 11 months ago

    Python and matplotlib aren't hard... Plus you get pandas, numpy, and so on. Alternatively, R studio does such stuff ootb, as far as I remember

    Idk, excel always seemed unnecessarily limiting and complicated to me compared to proper programming languages. Although that may be because I was taught cpp before this crap.

    [–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    LaTeX is shit at this point. Check out https://github.com/typst/typst. I cannot go back to the awful syntax in a powerful LuaLaTeX.

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Hm, looks somewhat less painful to type. Otherwise, needs further investigation; tnx!

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

    It's in the beta, but actively being developed. You can do a lot of stuff already, but a lot of stuff is either not implemented or janky. Overall I can cope with that. If you want to add something, just know how to write in Rust.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Do you pronounce it "typist", "typeset" or "type es ti"?

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Why not just pronounce it "typst"? (like "types" with a "t" at the end)

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

    Yay English got its second person singular conjugation back :)

    I type Thou typst She typeth

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

    Typ as in type and st as in street. One syllable with many consonants.

    It's still new and I didn't ask authors this question and doc doesn't talk about it either.

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

    The (libre) office suite is geared towards business and school stuff, they are far from perfect but does 90% of what people need.

    Word/LibreOffice Writer

    Have their uses, just keep the document below like 50 pages.
    LaTeX is great for academic papers and when you need the document to look crisp!
    And you are right about Markdown it's great for many documents.

    Excel/Calc

    Spreadsheets are great for data entry and some calculations especially financial stuff. You can't do that as easily inside a source file.

    PowerPoint, you are probably right about beamer?

    Access

    Utter garbage "database" maybe if you need something to keep your record collection? If you know the basics of relational databases and a bit of SQL any proper DB is soo much better.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

    So, regarding md & beamer: I'm kinda into that "less is more" mindset when it comes to every day -ish writing. Like yeah, you can spend a few hrs formatting the info a certain way, but if that's not a typography thingy - who's really going to care how the stuff is aligned or whether it's divided into 100500 columns?

    Md has just enough features to structure the text, and when you need to share, you just compile the doc into PDF which is at least supposed to look the same everywhere. Basically the same for beamer, although you can shove animations in there (right, cause why tf shouldn't PDF support animations after all)

    Rant over 🤣

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

    Beamer has a very high steep learning curve, especially when you just want a few slides to show preliminary results. In PowerPoint you literally drag the image, resize, and that's it.

    Also I feel that beamer pushes the user towards the "bullet point" presentation, which sometimes can be very boring.

    For documents, I love latex, but I actually prefer LibreOffice or onlyoffice when it comes to presentations.

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Honest question: does Crossover actually increases compatibility over raw Wine or PlayOnLinux?

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    For things like Office yes I still wasn't able to aceess VBA properly not that it's relvant ot me anymore

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago
    [–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

    I would like to know this as well.

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

    run the web version of ms office inside a windows virtual machine, very efficient.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

    Is this really what excites people?