this post was submitted on 31 Oct 2023

375 points (92.3% liked)

World News

39046 readers

2343 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
- Post news articles only
- Video links are NOT articles and will be removed.
- Title must match the article headline
- Not United States Internal News
- Recent (Past 30 Days)
- Screenshots/links to other social media sites (Twitter/X/Facebook/Youtube/reddit, etc.) are explicitly forbidden, as are link shorteners.
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF 10/19
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

Lemmy World Partners

News [email protected]

Politics [email protected]

World Politics [email protected]

Recommendations

How to spot Misinformation and Propaganda

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

Consider including the article’s mediabiasfactcheck.com/ link

founded 1 year ago

MODERATORS

[email protected]

375

Bilal went out to harvest his olives, an Israeli settler shot him (www.aljazeera.com)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

45 comments fedilink hide all child comments

Palestinian Bilal Saleh was shot in the chest by an Israeli settler as he was harvesting his olive trees in al-Sawiya, occupied West Bank.

all 50 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old

[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I disagree that it’s not a good source. Obviously, it has an Arab perspective but Al Jazeera English is one of the few TV news sources with journalists on the ground in Gaza (and Lebanon). I’ve found it to be more reliable than U.S. cable news, which has cut back on international reporting and so has been fairly worthless this whole conflict. To me, the quality of reporting on AJ English — not the pundits but the straight news segments — is as high as any other channel.

Obviously, some media literacy and critical thinking is required and you should be aware that it’s a government-backed channel. When it switches to talk shows and more opinionated stuff, it’s very biased (as you’d expect). But they aren’t like RT or Fox News where even the ostensibly straight news bits are pure, uncut party propaganda.

Also, no news source is free of bias. The NY Times is reliable and professional about reporting facts but it’s also going to cover topics of interest to upper class New Yorkers even when it’s silly. They cover student groups at fancy private colleges like they’re prominent NGOs staffed with experts and not a bunch of idiot kids who were born in like 2004 and haven’t been alive long enough to know shit from shinola. No matter where you get your news, you should always be aware of the incentives, target audience, and funding sources.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

I disagree that it’s not a good source.

It doesn't matter. What matters is that the concern troll succeeded in derailing the conversation in this thread to be mostly about the merits of Al Jazeera and not about the actual topic of the article.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For comparison, the Times of Israel, citing quite a bit of Haaretz (which is generally paywalled I'm not even going to try). By now the off-duty soldier has been arrested which is the actual news in this instance, presumably due to international eyes on the whole wider situation. Israel is generally speaking shit at extending the rule of law to Palestinians, and should Palestinian authorities try to touch an Israeli they get roflstomped.

There's left-wing Israeli orgs regularly organising trips into the West Bank to help Palestinians with the harvest specifically to avoid that kind of settler violence as should settlers kill an actual Israeli, even a left-wing one, they won't get away wich cheap excuses, so they don't even attempt to.

Overall, right now, we seem to have a curious combination of fascists being emboldened while simultaneously Israel is trying its darnedest to not be seen as an Apartheid regime.

[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How can Hamas do this.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No no you don't get it. Bilal was also Hamas. Hell, even the fourth letter is the same. The olive is a double-use substance that he was gonna used to make rockets with less fat.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's almost funny how some people, who didn't follow the conflict before Oct 7th, are so shocked by this. Like this isn't a regular occurrence in the West Bank...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately most Americans aren't interested in international news at all.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Businesses as usual, Israeli settlers living on stolen lands rottenly rob, harass, attack, and murder Palestinians and the Israeli settlers who was arrested by the police, will be let go without a charge, as was the case of every single incident before. Israeli settlers are armed to the teeth, and are protected to commit crime.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

protected to commit crimes

He literally got arrested right afterward

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-30/ty-article/.premium/israeli-soldier-arrested-on-suspicion-of-fatally-shooting-palestinian-olive-harvester/0000018b-808c-d4ba-a3ab-9a8da2960000

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Did you read the post you're replying to?

the Israeli settlers who was arrested by the police, will be let go without a charge, as was the case of every single incident before

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've been generally supportive of Israel's response to the attacks and do believe that the removal of Hamas is absolutely justified, however, that doesn't change the fact that West Bank settlers are an absolute blight on the country and do nothing but stand in the way of peace. My sympathies for them are extremely limited, and if this does turn out to be an unprovoked attack, this guy is no different than the terrorists from three weeks ago and deserves the same treatment.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is literally what the UN secretary general was referring to when he said the Hamas attacks didn't happen in a vacuum. I don't think the attacks were justified or even effective but it wasn't some random act, the growth of Hamas comes from Israeli government backed oppression of Palestinians which itself comes after failed peace talks so on and so forth until the birth of civilization (though you could argue until the late 1940s).

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

People living comfortably here in Germany are flocking to extremist parties, because having to wear a mask during a pandemic or minding the rights of other people makes them feel oppressed.

The rise of Hamas was absolutely inevitable given the way people in Gaza were treated. If you're literally fighting for survival and you realize more moderate groups are unable to change anything, you will support extremists out of sheer desparation.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Exactly, and I also thought the Israeli government's response to that statement was ridiculous. I'm by no means a blind supporter of a single side here, and no one with a functioning brain should be. There's a lot of bad on all sides here.