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Norway’s prime minister says the Israeli army’s response to the deadly Hamas attack that killed 1,400 people and saw over 230 abducted by terrorists has been disproportionate, and denounces a “catastrophic” humanitarian situation in Gaza.

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[–] [email protected] 298 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (50 children)

The comments on that article are really missing the point that leveling a city block to kill a few terrorists almost invariably means you created more terrorists than you killed.

[–] [email protected] 97 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unfortunately I'm not so sure they're missing the point. I'm afraid there's quite a few people who are just excited to see their scheduled genocide put into motion.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Far too many people seem to be itching to find an enemy, all so they can justify their desire for vindictive bloodlust.

Killing is a bad thing, and can only ever be justified when it prevents something worse. But that doesn't mean you should enjoy it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Far too many people seem to be itching to find an enemy, all so they can justify their desire for vindictive bloodlust.

Finding an enemy, anyone, to rally angry and hate-fueled people has been a solid political staple for at least the last decade or so. The only "new"-ish part is that a lot of people are dying as a direct result of that now.

[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 year ago

They know this, that's the point, they want a biting dog that you can euthanize instead of the calm golden lab everyone will be upset with you for putting down

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yeah...

The ultimate tragedy of the last few weeks is that the average Israeli will only be more radicalized against Palestine, while the average Palestinian will only be more radicalized against Israel. It's a perpetual cycle of anger and violence that has no end in sight, and I don't feel any hope for a better future for the region and the innocent people on either side of the conflict.

What should have happened, like yesterday, should be obvious to anyone with a brain and a heart: Hamas should free all of their hostages and turn over anybody who participated in the terrorist attack on Israeli civilians, and Israel should cease fire immediately, call all settlers back and return the Gaza borders back to what they were a month ago. Terrorism and genocide are inexcusable, and the simple fact is that both sides have the blood of the innocent on their hands, all because of the politics of greed.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is much more Israel should be doing. Not least is allowing travel between Gaza and the West Bank.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We are a far cry from free travel between Gaza and the West Bank.

The likelihood of that is lower now than it's ever been.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

We shouldn't be.
The only solution to the region is a Palestine that is prosperous and free. So long as people have nothing to lose, they will continue laying down their lives.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Neither Hamas nor the Israeli government want peace. They're not going to try to fix a situation neither sees as a problem.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Like in any war of occupation: the ever more militarized government of the occupier and the ever more militarized force of the occupied are objective allies.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That is certainly one point and how we are, still Here after decades. Another point is that if you do that, you have become the bad guy.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/25/middleeast/satellite-images-gaza-destruction/index.html

It's really insane and the comparison pics are from over a week ago now.

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[–] [email protected] 144 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm glad a western country had the balls to say it.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

Ireland and Norway have historically been critical of this.

[–] [email protected] 124 points 1 year ago

Actually what this guy said is:

"International law stipulates that [the reaction] must be proportionate. Civilians must be taken into account, and humanitarian law is very clear on this. I think this limit has been largely exceeded"

But the Times of Israel likes to erase this from the title and make it sound like they just went one woopsie too far. Poor genocidal Israel... pout

[–] [email protected] 103 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Disproportionate response has been Israel's policy for decades.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago

It is literally their stated policy of "Mowing the grass"

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (8 children)

They learned it from the best teacher, big bro murica.

Ya know, atomic bombs, 20 years of Afghan, Vietcong war blah blah.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago

"Rockets are still being fired from Gaza into Israel, and we condemn this,” he adds.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Disproportionate is an understatement.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Eye for an eye for an eye for an eye.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's it, no more eyes for anyone

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They went blind long ago 😞

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A hundred eyes for one eye and your enemies will run out of eyes before you.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago

I think this limit has been largely exceeded

I vote this for understatement of the week.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder if this story is biased? /s

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How so? It seems to consist basically entirely of direct quotes. So unless they misquoted or are leaving out some massively important context, I can't see how it would be biased.

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