YSK: If you're on Lemmy.World or Sh.itjust.works you should not subscribe to any Beehaw communities (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Why YSK: Beehaw defederated from Lemmy.World and Sh.itjust.works effectively shadowbanning anyone from those instances. You will not be able to interact with their users or posts.

Edit: A lot of people are asking why Beehaw did this. I want to keep this post informational and not color it with my personal opinion. I am adding a link to the Beehaw announcement if you are interested in reading it, you can form your own views. https://beehaw.org/post/567170

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

It's important to note that the admins of beehaw are not happy about this solution, either. And they hope to refederate once they have better tools and enough mods / admins to deal with it.

They point wasn't to shadowban, that was a side effect. The point was to protect their member--who specifically wanted a certain type of safe friendly instance--from hostile weirdos sending dick pics and stuff like that. Nobody's happy with the situation, but it's the best they could do under the circumstances with the resources they have.

I also don't think it's wrong for instances to have their own strong rules and preferences. This is one of the GOOD things about the Fediverse. The software features and how people use lemmy will catch up eventually.

As for the confusion / chaos around multiple/redundant/competing communities and so on...that will get better over time as people figure things out. Honestly it's not that different than reddit with all of its splinter subs like "true-" whatever.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

As for the confusion / chaos around multiple/redundant/competing communities and so on...that will get better over time as people figure things out. Honestly it's not that different than reddit with all of its splinter subs like "true-" whatever.

That's true for just the duplication problem, but the defederation / shadow banning issue is not one that reddit has and is pretty confusing and poor user experience for new users coming in.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

The` point was to protect their member--who specifically wanted a certain type of safe friendly instance--from hostile weirdos sending dick pics and stuff like that``

They are making community policy around a single person?

I am not following.

With that being said, they can do as they please and other can do what they want. That's the beautity of the protocol.

However, people shoudnt be surpised when others take the ball and play else where.

Looking forward to seeing how this works out.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That was just a typo. Beehaw has advertised itself as being a largely positive, safe online space. People who sign up for it would generally be considered to want that same ethos.

It's not ideal at the moment but until the moderation tools improve it's the best way forward if they want to stick to their ethos. I enjoy Beehaw and the admin do seem like they want to refererate when it's possible to.

I'm on both Beehaw and Lemmy.world so I between the two I can interact with everything I would want to see.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Is there a page where we can see which instances are ban-crazy and which ones actually federate and communicate?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

What are you talking about? The apps all allow multi login. So why is this an issue?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Disclaimer: pretty new to Lemmy a federation (older than this account though).

From what I gather, defederation is supposed to be a function of this whole system, but intended to cut off whole instances that refuse to moderate or are active cesspools. In saying that, I don’t understand Beehaw cutting off two of the other biggest instances. I know they have a weird mentality over there of no downvotes and saw some odd conversations condemning someone’s political views while admitting to not know the person at all (dafuq?).

It seems to me it would make more sense to block a single community rather than the whole instance.

Maybe they want a walled garden, but as new people come in and want as much content as possible to show that this is a better venue than Reddit, to me they give off the wrong message.

Am I mistaken somehow? Anyone able to enlighten me?

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Is there any reason for them defederating?

[-] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago

They want an echo chamber

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Also - fwiw - they are likely to refederate in the future. I subscribe to beehaw communities, cuz we can still see them, just can't talk to them.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

For instances that are mostly for discussion, its pretty pointless to stay subscribed.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Unless you're ok lurking and just reading. I used to rarely contribute to ask reddit, but I would read a ton of those threads

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Okay, guess I just won't use it then if they defed from my primary instance. Glad they did this now and not later when they became bigger and more important.

If they're that into making a safe space then fine. Hopefully some other people will also make more free spaces and both of them can exist and everyone can be happy.

I realize that is a highly optimistic outlook to put it mildly. I must remain hopeful to avoid losing my mind, if I haven't already -.-

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

shrugs It sounds like they'd happily refederate once the right mod tools are available.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Why?

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

At the time LW and SJW had few barriers to signing up, so they had a higher rate of spam coming in and the beehaw team said they couldn't keep up with moderating it. No idea if this is still the case, but they remain federated.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Oh no, are we calling shitjustworks SJW now??

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I thought about that while typing it but I thought it was kinda funny so decided to leave it haha

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I wonder if that was intentional on the instance owner's part?

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

We need to replace dumb acronyms with better ones, anyway.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Maybe SHJUWO or SHIJUWO

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

SJW is a wild abbreviation

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

@[email protected] , you should add a link to the announcement which explains why Beehaw defederated since this looks to be the top question many are asking.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

tldr; too hard to mod. That's pretty dumb, but the cool thing with the fedi is you can just not care and swap instances.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Anyone knows why this happened ? Hope admins dont ruin Lemmy for everyone.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

When there was an influx of users during the Reddit blackout, they said that they were getting lots of trolls and they couldn't keep up with the moderation. Lemmy.world and Sh.itjust.works had the most traffic and were letting people sign up without vetting so the Beehaw admins decided to defederate those communities.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Making it harder for people to sign up and interact with each other, during the most important week of the platform's existence, I hope they didn't take that lightly

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Wow so much misinformed hostility against Beehaw here. The mod tools for Lemmy are currently limited and they just want to protect their community from trolls and spam. There's no conspiracy here to break federation.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Beehaw is some pseudo moral purity echo chamber. They consider anyone with a contrary opinion a troll. People create these "safe spaces" under the guise of protecting minority groups, but fuck.. I'm a minority, and I knew immediately I wasn't going to be welcome there.

People are free to judge it as they please.

--edit--

Why aren't other instances having this problem? Like if trolls and spam are such an issue, why do I only see relevant on topic comments in other instances?

The issue isn't trolls, it's political dissent. And if you care about the truth, if you care about having the ability to talk about and express your ideas freely to other people, to have uncomfortable discussions with people you disagree with, to be exposed to new ideas, and fuck.. to possibly even change your mind, you shouldn't support beehaw.

If you genuinely want that type of environment, go for it, but that place should be called out for what it is.

This type of political authoritianism is why I left Reddit. It kills discussion, and I'm here for critical discussion.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

True, but unsubbed from them when it happened because I don't want to see communities I can't interact with.

Why add to the problem and have frustration with wanting to discuss something you are blocked from?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

They have every right to protect themselves against spam. But that said, ever since they defederated, their activity and user numbers are down.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Good. Serves 'em right.

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