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New survey suggests decline has strong correlation between Christian nationalism and opposition to inclusive policies

Public support for same-sex marriage and nondiscrimination protections for LGBTQ+ Americans has fallen, even as the overall share remains high, according to new findings by the nonpartisan Public Religion Research Institute.

Broad majorities of Americans, regardless of political party or faith, continue to support LGBTQ+ rights and protections, the analysis found. But after years of rising public support, the decline is notable, said Melissa Deckman, CEO of the PRRI.

The survey analyzed Americans’ attitudes toward LGBTQ+ rights across three policies: same-sex marriage, nondiscrimination protections and religion-based service refusals. It found support for all three measures had softened for the first time since the PRRI began tracking views of the issues nearly a decade ago.

While the “vast majority of Americans continue to endorse protections for LGBTQ Americans”, Deckman said the results may serve as a “warning sign” for those working to safeguard the rights of LGBTQ+ Americans amid a conservative legislative and legal effort to erode them.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Maybe overall, maybe, but there are a quiet number of us who went from "ah, they're okay" to "don't you fuck with these beautiful people," and I know this because I'm one of them, and not the only one.

When LGBTQIA+ visibility and rights were on the rise and growing, I thought it was great, but I also believed it had nothing to do with me because I'm cis/het.

But I'm also a student of history, so when certain right wingers got emboldened to be openly hateful -- and bizarrely so, like JK Rowling and her nonsensical TERF shit: "you, but NOT you" wtf? -- and then the right wing started going after anyone not explicitly cis/het with ANYTHING they could find, finally getting to the point of criminalization of trans people's actual existence in places like Florida, I had zero doubt about where we were headed, and I WILL NOT PARTICIPATE.

I've known the destination all along, and so has anyone who tracked the process of pre-WWII Germany into authoritarianism, as well as anyone who ever had a burning need to know how a country could go from a truly laissez-faire democracy to concentration camps. Germany was where the first successful trans operations were done in the 20s, and the first place trans people were thrown into concentration camps a decade or so later. It's not a secret.

But this is not who I am, it is not what I stand for, and I will NOT be a part of that. So now I am fiercely PRO LGBTQIA+, and the right wing has itself to thank for that. I want you to live, and to prosper, and to enjoy the same rights as anyone else, and to know that at least some of us recognize that your lives are worth as much as our own.

When Team Ovens shows up for a rematch with Team Humanity, if one of us is not safe, none of us are safe. And we're there. It's happening.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I noticed since at least a couple of years a pervasive and ever more widespread campaign against representation and lgbtq rights, and the early phase passed through apparently meaningless but popular thing like pop culture and gaming, including the social media sphere at large.

But this time, they're aiming for a much larger political action, and their tools aren't the ones of entertainment media but those of traditional values. They appeal to things they know for being popular and still largely followed, like religions and whatever moves around it.

The trend is clearly there, before our very eyes, and yet we still don't take action. I don't know if I have such a strong identity, you know, and for this exact reason I don't want to see this much people suffer. On top of a political crisis this is an empathy one too, IMHO.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

On top of a political crisis this is an empathy one too, IMHO.

Very much so. And maybe the crisis of empathy is the deeper, more critical problem.

I have noticed that, right alongside the attacks against LGBTQIA+ folks, there has been an overt effort to normalize both apathy AND the "disorders of conscience" (sociopathy, narcissism, etc) to try to repaint those lacking conscience and guilt as just "different" instead of the amoral predators among prey, who believe conscience is for the weak, that they are.

There was an article in the NY Times just a couple weeks ago doing that, and it wasn't the first. "Oh, sociopaths aren't that terrible, just different," that kind of shit, addressing the actual damage they do and the lives they leave wrecked in language more suited to a statistics report.

The first paragraph:

Sociopaths are modern-day boogeymen, and the word “sociopath” is casually tossed around to describe the worst, most amoral among us. But they are not boogeymen; they are real people and, according to Patric Gagne, widely misunderstood. Gagne wrote “Sociopath,” her buzzy forthcoming memoir, to try to correct some of those misunderstandings and provide a fuller picture of sociopathy, which is now more frequently referred to as antisocial personality disorder. As a child, Gagne found herself compelled toward violent outbursts in an effort to try to compensate for the emotional apathy that was her default. As she got older, those compulsive behaviors turned into criminal ones like trespassing and theft.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/02/25/magazine/patric-gagne-interview.html

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

Thank you for being part of the team! I just want to live a normal life (marry and have kids, decent living situation, some fun stuff occasionally) and it's exhausting when a potion of the population gets so worked up about something so minor.

If they could just experience it for a day, they'd realize how...banal it is. I've dated a little bit of everyone, and it might make some people crestfallen to learn how similar everything is, lol.

Dating a guy is pretty much like just being best friends with a guy: the same gym days, cooking, range days, videogames, movie nights, sleepy afternoons, camping trips, etc. Sometimes, you hold hands. That's about it xD

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Agreed. My support for gay rights has gone from "it's just right that they should be able to marry and live how they please" to "if you touch them I swear to fucking god I will stop at nothing until you're a destitute nobody".